That said, we need a day off from AJ & Miranda- they are now just as overexposed as Pelia and the OLTL younger set but getting a lot less hate for it. Also, we need to start expressing out hatred of the guitar riff- PP seems open to fan input and that needs to go.

I think that Mimo/AJ are getting less frustration (I don't want to call it hate just yet) because they're strongly anchored by their relationship to Bianca and JR. Pete/Celia are primarily focused on each other with some marginal assist from Opal and Brooke but Miranda and AJ's drama is a direct result of their parents. Personally, I think the break we need is more from AJ/Miranda together. Give us more of AJ with his family and Miranda with Bianca. IMO, an episode or two of apart time would be beneficial.

Brooke shouldn't be a 'foil' to some teen romance. Brooke would've been at the hospital checking on Adam JR for Adam. She should be shown running CE or planning her wedding.

This show really needs some rotation and balance. I don't need to see AJ/Miranda (cute as they are) have the same 'Waaah my Mom's a lesbian/Waah my Dad's in a coma' convo EVERY single episode.

And they should've been worked into getting major airtime. This is like new Dallas. The kids were there before (except contrived Elena) but they were background so essentially the older versions are 'newbies' and 'newbies' should never be front burner off the bat.

There's 24 mins tops to these new shows. They're only on 4 days a week so that balance should be adjusted to that. Let's have newbie/teen free eps every couple of days. Sex traffic free eps too. It's great they're bringing Billy and Dimitri back but all I can think of if there's no time now to give Brooke, Opal and others proper airtime and story because it seems there's a dictate they must show the teens and the sex traffic every day what's it going to like then?

I love Jessie/Angie. DM one of my all time faves. But this story doesn't need to be every episode. No story does. Starting to head into ABC territory with some getting all the airtime and others short shrift.

And I started watching soaps at 4 yrs old and it wasn't because my Mom was watching. And it sure wasn't to see my own age or the teens. I liked the 'older' actors. Their stories interested me. Doug and Julie DOOL were my first couple. So not getting why everyone who runs a soap have the mindset must shove newbie young ones down viewers throat to attract new younger audience. I don't know anyone that started because they liked 'teen' stories.

I couldn't agree more... I'd rather have a few days rest from AJ/Miranda while we get to see what Brooke, Opal, and Dixie are up to.

Part of me thinks Opal should have been the owner of the coffee shop with Jane there to manage it, or else have Opal revive the Glamorama where all the women could gather to gab and gossip (we could have seen Miranda there getting ready for the dance, while Bianca and Opal could be talking about Erica's latest adventures in Hollywood, even have Opal reveal in passing if Erica/Jackson have reunited or never got back together... for example).

I don't want to see Brooke and Opal playing second fiddle for Celia/Pete.. I want both Celia and Pete to be playing second fiddle for Brooke and Opal. We could see Brooke taking a liking for Celia and wanting to help her out.. thus clashing with Evelyn and this mystery guardian as she starts running Chandler while clashing with JR/Colby. Plus, we could see what Opal has been up to.. is she running a business.. is she dating anyone?

Plus, we could rotate those scenes/stories with the human trafficking story.. plus AJ/Miranda.. and JR coming out of the coma. I know this is a half-hour show now.. but if all these stories are on non-stop without a break then it will become like it was on ABC.

The show is still missing the HUGE 30 Something actors to fill in the age demographic gap, a very critical gap for advertisers. There are things missing in the show but with Colby, Erica (Susan meeting with PP this month), Dimitri and others needed to come back to fill in the gaps for the age demos. It does not matter what the writers are trying to do, if they can't capture certain age demos for advertisers, then writing is going to have to change. What worked for Classic AMC is not going to make it in today's 2013 market for advertisers in key age demos. That is the reality of programming these days. If PP cannot attract certain age demos, the show will find itself in trouble with advertisers. and that concerns me.

Dimitri coming back should be marked as a spoiler. I am excited for Colby. I cannot imagine Susan will sign on to this full-time. We will likely see her here and there for special guest arcs and events

I don't think we necessarily need an influx of characters in their 30s to attract fans in their 30s. I am 25 (in that super coveted 18-34 demographic) and I love AJ & Miranda and also David, Opal, Brooke & Adam, who are all outside my age group. When the show was centered around the 30something group of Ryan, Kendall and Greenlee, the all important 18-34 and 18-49 demographics plummeted and the show was cancelled.

I think that Mimo/AJ are getting less frustration (I don't want to call it hate just yet) because they're strongly anchored by their relationship to Bianca and JR. Pete/Celia are primarily focused on each other with some marginal assist from Opal and Brooke but Miranda and AJ's drama is a direct result of their parents. Personally, I think the break we need is more from AJ/Miranda together. Give us more of AJ with his family and Miranda with Bianca. IMO, an episode or two of apart time would be beneficial.

agree 100%. i just want a day without the guitar riff. I really like them & think they will ultimately be AMC's first great young couple in years.

I don't see much hate for the OLTLers anywhere, really. And I don't think it'd be warranted for A.J. and Miranda either. The reality is these shows, particularly AMC, are have a definite focus in on these kids. It helps that they work.

I want to see more of Brooke, Adam, etc. as much as anyone, but I think what they have done is slowly rebuild the show - which they're still doing - with a new canvas mixed with older characters. And I think that takes time and it has to assert its new paradigm. You can't do that by going about business as usual with all the old favorites first.

Edited May 15, 201312 yr by Vee

I don't see much hate for the OLTLers anywhere, really. And I don't think it'd be warranted for A.J. and Miranda either. The reality is these shows, particularly AMC, are have a definite focus in on these kids. It helps that they work.

I want to see more of Brooke, Adam, etc. as much as anyone, but I think what they have done is slowly rebuild the show - which they're still doing - with a new canvas mixed with older characters. And I think that takes time and it has to assert its new paradigm. You can't do that by going about business as usual with all the old favorites first.

I LOVE both younger sets and am always up for teen stories as long as the acting is not terrible, which is certainly not the case on either show. The only reason I threw in the OLTLers (who are my favorite storyline on both shows) was that I saw multiple separate threads on SOC about bratty, unlikable, bad role model, show-eating young characters on SOC. I am not seeing any of that on either show. I think Allison Goodman had a really daunting job casting/recasting a lot of key legacy kids (Erica's daughter's daughter, Adam the 3rd, Palmer's son, Bo & Nora's son) and did AMAZING.

Edited May 15, 201312 yr by greens_dupres

People actually read those boards? Who cares?

I LOVE both younger sets and am always up for teen stories as long as the acting is not terrible, which is certainly not the case on either show. The only reason I threw in the OLTLers (who are my favorite storyline on both shows) was that I saw multiple separate threads on SOC about bratty, unlikable, bad role model, show-eating young characters on SOC. I am not seeing any of that on either show. I think Allison Goodman had a really daunting job casting/recasting a lot of key legacy kids (Erica's daughter's daughter, Adam the 3rd, Palmer's son, Bo & Nora's son) and did AMAZING.

Other than Jordan I'm not seeing anything wrong with the acting. It's the airtime I take issue with.

Someone on another board said about the 'A team' on OLTL (first off referring to the younger set as the 'A team' doesn't endear them to me JP) 'How can I miss you if you never go away?' That's the feeling I have about the teen set on both shows. Or any story that is on every single episode. No one should be on that much.

And if they are - they better be a long time fan favorite and not characters they just came on.

But the fact remains that the key age demo for advertisers is 18-49 set.

Vincent Irizarry is now 53 years old and showing some graying of hair. His age is over the key age demo for advertisers. Darnell and Debbi are well into their 50's now with Darnell being 58 years old and Debbi being 56 years old (57 in September) so the older core cast is already over the age demo for advertisers.

There came time to fast age AJ, Miranda and maybe a change in direction of the older characters will have to become necessary more in a supporting role for the teen/20 set as was done in Classic AMC.

We need to give the show time and opportunity to fix things. But the age demo for advertisers is crucial to the shows success and longevity.

Darnell is 58? And Debbi is 56? Holy God are they drinking from the fountain of youth? I know I watched from when they were first on and it's been decades but they don't look that old to me.

I completely get what you're saying about the demo and advertisers. I just think the mindset that to get those people you need to have endless days of the teen set. Like I said I started watching at 4 because I loved Doug and Julia on DOOL. They were not teens. In my twenties I watched for Brooke/Adam, Ross/Natalie, Dorian, Alan and Monica and Luke.

What are they basing this 'write for the teens and the coveted will come' MO on? Focus groups? Dear God say it ain't so. I say write good stories played out by good actors playing tried and true characters and they will come.

Opal meeting Evelyn and Bramwell Hall, damn, there goes any chance that Evelyn is really Kelly. Super dissapointed, I was really hoping for that twist. It would have given Brooke a friend/family member on canvas.

On that note, Julia is looking great in these epsiodes. Kudos to the costumer for giving he really good looking high-end clothese this go around. Brooke at the end of ABC was wearing a lot of middle-america ready to wear knits. These glamourous dresses are very becoming and more in character for Brooke. Julia Barr is still such a beautiful woman.

I am not loving the fact that I have not see Dr. Joe or Adam in a while. Neither has had substantive scenes. I am checking into this thing for those guys, not Pete/Celia.

Right there with you. I will keep watching because I'm so appreciative they brought these shows back (may not seem like it from all the kvetching LOL) but I really did get excited at finally seeing Adam and Brooke back together and getting married. And other characters from the past I loved.

I wouldn't mind Pete/Celia or AJ/Miranda if they were on less. Same convos lasting twice as long as my faves scenes while cutting their airtime becomes annoying.

But I will just give it time. Like others have noted they're still working things out.

And ICAM about Julia. She just looks gorgeous to me. I will say I loved her wardrobe for her 2010 visit. Especially the green dress from Annie's daymare that Adam was leaving her for Brooke.

I think part of the problem with the shows are the casts are too small and they are showing some characters every day. If you don't like the focus you get bored...and the people who do like the focus eventually will freak if the performers leave.

Just tweeted More AMC & asked if they could include deleted scenes on their Friday shows

More, schmore! Debbi Muthafcukin Morgan replied to my tweet. That's all I care about!

 

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@TheRSinclair I'm so sorry...LOL!

— Debbi Morgan (@debbimorgan)

May 15, 2013

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It's refreshing after that disturbing psycho incident I encountered on twitter last week.

Linda actually made some good posts today. I echo that the episode was well balanced today. And I didn't see anyone else bring this up but it seemed to me like Opal knew exactly what she was doing because I got the sense she has changed her mind and would like Pete to see Celia less. She basically pulled the classic reverse psychology ploy on Evelyn and Evelyn fell for it. At least that's how it played to me.

I am sorry, but I just can't with Dixie, at least not how she is being written now. I can not take her or Jesse with the constant "David is all things evil" diatribe. I get that it's part of the way David's story is supposed to go, but I feel like they used to pull it off better without making other characters sound so utterly ridiculous.

More, schmore! Debbi Muthafcukin Morgan replied to my tweet. That's all I care about!

LMAO! Congrats! Debbi replied to a tweet of mine a couple of months back and I called my mom to tell her "ANGIE HUBBARD TWEETED ME!!"

I didn't see anyone else bring this up but it seemed to me like Opal knew exactly what she was doing because I got the sense she has changed her mind and would like Pete to see Celia less. She basically pulled the classic reverse psychology ploy on Evelyn and Evelyn fell for it. At least that's how it played to me.

Yeah, I was really confused by Opal today. I couldn't figure out whether she was honestly being that dense and meddlesome or if she's turned in to PV's answer to Lucille Bluth.

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LMAO! Congrats! Debbi replied to a tweet of mine a couple of months back and I called my mom to tell her "ANGIE HUBBARD TWEETED ME!!"

HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! I did the same thing!

One of Beyonce's choreographers follows me. That's great. Rick Hearst follows me. That's nice. But when Debbi tweeted me... Lawda mercy!!!!! I got on my knees, thanking the black god Agnes!

HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! I did the same thing!

One of Beyonce's choreographers follows me. That's great. Rick Hearst follows me. That's nice. But when Debbi tweeted me... Lawda mercy!!!!! I got on my knees, thanking the black god Agnes!

PRAISE BLACK AGNES!