Jump to content

Doctor Who


DRW50

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 1.2k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Posted Images

  • Members

I missed the first twenty minutes, so I can't judge the episode as a whole until I watch it in its entirety. What I did see seemed like sort of a mess, like the way The End of Time was a complete clusterfvck of a mess.

I did like that the Doctor spent what he thought were the last years of his last life holding the fort down in a small town on Trenzalore. Very in character for him.

Got a laugh when I realized both Matt and Karen were wearing wigs in those last minutes.

I really liked the regeneration. I watched it thinking that while Eleven has had his I AM BIGGER THAN EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE moments, this was so much more on the mark than Tennant's regeneration was. And I loved how he held it off long enough to say goodbye (as the Eleventh) to Clara and make a good point about regenerations being the way of things. And then he controlled himself enough to not almost take the TARDIS with him this time. Like, he gave himself the moment at the end and the goodbye, then got on with it.

I've seen some fanboys/fangirls complaining about Smith just snapping into Capaldi and I just have to wonder if they were paying attention at all during the Love From Gallifrey battle or while Eleven was preparing Clara for the change. The snap made perfect sense to me given the circumstances. The Doctor had regenerated before he even went back into the TARDIS, but he wanted one last moment with Clara.

I'll have better-informed opinions on the story and execution once I see the entire episode, but I spent a lot of time scratching my head wondering WTF story was Moffat trying to tell?

And I love Steven Moffat as only a fangirl can.

Edited by katie_9918
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

That's a good question. I'm thinking it's a little bit of both.

I LOVED the whole thing from last season about how the Doctor kept coming back to Amy (holding onto her) because she was the first face his face saw (it certainly explained why the Tenth Doctor was so fixated on Rose that it literally handicapped his last two seasons) and then Moffat followed through on it with Karen Gillan's cameo. In a way, it did sort of synchronize perfectly with the Tenth Doctor choosing to visit Rose before she'd even met him right before his TARDIS-destroying regeneration and, again, explained exactly WHY Rose was so damned special when there were at least five or so Companions before Rose who did more for the Doctor than Rose ever did (not to mention my poor Martha, who was as selfless as Rose was completely selfish) and only got a hand-wavey "oh I visited them too, you just didn't see it" on the Sarah Jane Adventures.

I think the Doctor wanted to see Amy one last time and the TARDIS knew it and granted him that one last wish because he deserved it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Upon re-watch, I got a bit of an a-ha moment when Eleven started talking about how one minute we're here and the next we're gone "like breath on a mirror." It's like they were telling us outright how quickly it would happen. But like Clara, the audience was still in the process of saying goodbye.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

That article is written from the point of view of an American reared entirely on contemporary American genre shows with no sense of DW before 2005. It would be quaint if I hadn't seen that article at least twenty times from other people in the last four years, all of which amount to the same complaints once leveled at RTD and all of which approach DW as though it is a static show in the mold of a seven-season American primetime genre show with a set premise and rules.

His claims about the show's ratings and popularity are also utterly contrary to the actual numbers and facts - the show is more popular than ever. This guy is a vapid tourist.

Edited by Vee
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members
Watching the End of Time right now and just remembering that I THOUGHT we were going to be okay, but had no idea the great ride we were in for with the Eleventh Doctor.

I sighed nostalgically with the rewatch of Parting of The Ways.

I want to go straight into The Eleventh Hour with The End Of Time.

Hell, it's New Years. Why not?

Edited by katie_9918
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

I finally watched TOTD. It got reviews that ranged from the sublime to the condemning, so I wasn't sure what to expect. But I think that's the best regeneration story since The Caves of Androzani, and probably one of the best, period. Really excellent, and unlike some past series finales of DW it wasn't kind of hollow in its cause and effects, drama-wise. I can understand why people felt it was overstuffed - it could easily have been a two-parter, but I thought it was easily the equal of Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways, if not better, and certainly far better than The End of Time, which I am more charitable about than I used to be these days.

Really a fantastic story, all around. Matt Smith's era could've used another couple years for me, but he had a solid run and one of the best final stories in DW history, IMO. Jenna Coleman's Clara is a standard companion at the moment, yes, but she did so well with what they gave her. Orla Brady was great, and the final reverie with Amy/Amelia - that was beautiful, and a major callback to Androzani, where the Doctor remembers all his recent companions, particularly the dead Adric. Just such an incredible moment.

Really wonderful stuff, and it also closed the book on the fun but byzantine Eleventh Doctor mythology. And it must be said that Eleven's final scene was far more dignified - and mature - than Ten's, about the process of changing. It was also a metacommentary on the show.

Edited by Vee
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members
That just proves that whoever did that poll doesn't have the first clue as to why Who didn't die when Hartnell stepped down.

So it's pretty much worthless, if they're trying to claim that Matt was some kind of failure based on one Internet poll.

Tennant may have jump-started Who's public face in the US, but Smith skyrocketed it to the level of Star Trek and Star Wars. May not mean much in the UK, but Trek and Wars are the stick to measure all other Sci-Fi here against here, as far as I know.

Edited by katie_9918
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.



  • Recent Posts

    • And Kim Zimmer also gave interviews where she admitted to some of her behavior and she apologized for it. I give her credit for admitting her wrongdoing and taking responsibility because other actresses would not have done that.  BTW, I will miss John Payne from your avatar.

      Please register in order to view this content

       
    • Forbes also likely got the primetime career Zimmer wanted - never a huge star, admittedly, but a stalwart, able to dip in and out when she saw fit and generally not paying an industry price. Zimmer felt extremely hurt by her lack of success after leaving GL and even more hurt when JFP made it clear GL had moved on from Reva. (JFP, self-sabotaging as ever, soon made it clear that was not actually the case, but with a stronger producer, GL could have genuinely moved on from Reva) That's interesting. I suppose that's what they always say, and there was some precedent as Passions had moved to Direct TV. I guess Passions being canned so fast (faster than many expected, I think) put a big nail in the coffin. And we haven't had any revivals or moves since that have worked, even though Neighbours came close.  I'll try to find that promo.
    • Oh wow - I must see this promo!  Anyone have a copy/link to it? I can't believe they 'accidentally' did that, and if so, I wonder if someone got in trouble haha. Kim did mention in Chapter 1 that the 'suits' dangled some hopeful carrots for a long time, saying they would pitch the show and try and get it on another network or online somehow where it would be cheaper. They even heard rumors that Lifetime would pick it up, so it gave some folks hope for a little while, but sadly nothing came of it. Kim said she was already resolved that it would never go anywhere and she had peace of mind about that shortly after the announcement.
    • Same. I absolutely agree. It's a real shame, too. I had a lot of hope for the Character.
    • He's been written that way for about twenty years, so I suppose it is fitting. They should have done repair work, but I still think this return was pushed on Frank by ABC and he sandbagged the whole thing. If so, I guess he got what he wanted. I mostly feel bad for Becky Herbst. I've never loved Liz, but she should be given more respect than she is by TPTB, rather than always being a step away from losing her job.
    • Wow. This show is ridiculous.
    • There's a 1997 promo somewhere of Annie vs. Reva which ends with Reva throwing her purse across the room. IIRC, from what soap magazines at the time said, that was not an actual scene but was (allegedly) a real confrontation which somehow got into a promo.  I do wish Wheeler had moved faster - maybe that was as fast as she could go, or maybe she took for granted that they would stay on. I know the show probably couldn't have improved drastically, but I do wish they'd had one year, and Irna's babies could have ended at the same time.  I have already spent enough years comparing the GL and ATWT finales, but I agree. As someone who quit watching GL in disgust around the early/mid '00s the show did remind of its old self at the end. ATWT's ending was an extended Goutman ego trip. One show had a poignant death of a character whose passing was long overdue...one slaughtered a vibrant young man so we could get James Rehborn (wonderful as he was) playing chess for homophobes.  The Grant Aleksander interview I posted a few weeks ago had him talking about learning GL was canceled because Ron Raines called him at Home Depot. He said they knew it was probably going to happen, but that believing something will happen and it actually happening are very different. 
    • Thanks. I just hope this choice isn't why Billy is leaving, as they should have done all they could story-wise to make him want to stay.  Maybe he had already told them he was going. I hope so.
    • This is amazing. They didn’t even make it 6 months into Trump‘s term

      Please register in order to view this content

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy