Just watched the episode. Let's just say it's obvious why Maria Bell is still in the credits. In my opinion, she still lurks over the (main) stories. I don't think she was involved in the construction of the script.

I think maybe it must be because these episodes are still some of MAB's breakdowns mixed with Josh rewriting them? Though I don't understand why Josh and MAB would have their own seperate credit-page - why not credit them together.

And why was the show credits different from the actualy script credits? Shouldn't they be the same since the editor of the episode just has to look at the script and type in, or copy/paste, the names?

Why can't things be easier? An EP should not be credited for episodes they didn't produce, which is what has happened here. And a HW's first credited episode should be their first full breakdown. If a HW is rewriting some breakdowns and there's a mixture of old/new stuff, then they should be credited together (unless it's just for an episode or two, then the old HW should just be credited).

Credits are the exact same way on Monday's US episode. Maria still listed as EP and HW after Griffith, No JFP, and both Milstein and Boyd still listed.

Edited October 12, 201213 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Credits are the exact same way on Monday's US episode. Maria still listed as EP and HW after Griffith, No JFP, and both Milstein and Boyd still listed.

I wonder why JFP isn't being credited. I think I'm going to put an asterisk for her and say something like, "Jill went uncredited for early-to-mid October episodes."

Brent Boyd claims it's contractual, and Maria's name will continue to appear in the credits for "a while longer." Maria was probably fired long before her cycle was up.

https://twitter.com/...187856915763200

@actualBrentBoyd

@Mommy2JandB It's contractual. Her name will appear in credits for a while longer...

Edited October 13, 201213 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

So MAB has in her contract that she can be the only one listed as EP, during her cycle, since JFP isn't listed? Stupid contracts.

Probably something along those lines, Maria probably had an iron-clad contract Billy helped her with.

I wonder when her cycle is up though, "a little while longer" is too vague, and I can't imagine Jill being too pleased about this. LOL! At the very least, why can't Jill also be listed separately as an Executive Producer? Maria must have had a very unusual contract.

At the very least, why can't Jill also be listed separately as an Executive Producer?

That's what I don't get.

Maria must have had a very unusual contract.

You gotta have a massive ego to have in your contract that you can be the only one listed as EP.

It's also just weird. Why would you even want your name attached to work you had no hand in producing?

It's also just weird. Why would you even want your name attached to work you had no hand in producing?

So she can give herself credit for decent epis.

Is soap writing mainly just about having a plot lead up to some grand confrontation/showdown scene with no real payoff except that after X amount of time one character gets to confront another?

I cannot think of the last time I saw a complete story play out on GH (not involving an easy out death or confrontation that was momentarily interesting but otherwise forgettable).

I cannot think of anything Ron Carlivati wrote on OLTL that would explain why he seemingly thinks he's so good. And Brent Boyd's good episode was, the more I think of it, a series of showdown scenes that didn't advance any storyline but gave the illusion of something major happening by relying on emotional reactions.

Doesn't letting the same character, such as Phyllis, get away with everything all the time eventually wear on a soap and possibly drive viewers away a little at a time?

Michael Eilbaum directs tomorrow's US episode of Y&R - he worked with Jill most recently at Hollywood Heights.

Edited October 16, 201213 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Michael Eilbaum directs tomorrow's US episode of Y&R - he worked with Jill most recently at Hollywood Heights.

I never would have thought ME would direct at Y&R. He is an awful director. I hated his directing on AW and ATWT.

Edited October 16, 201213 yr by Soapsuds

I think he's still directing at GH, so he probably freelances.

Speaking of her name still being in the credits....

http://www.soapopera...ts-all-new-guys

Edited October 16, 201213 yr by dragonflies

Speaking of her name still being in the credits....

http://www.soapopera...ts-all-new-guys

Hmm.....MAB says her name shouldn't be in the credits which contradicts what Boyd said. This just gets more confusing. LOL