Do the "other issues" have to do w/ Bell's Alzheimer's Disease?

What do you think Latham did to the characters?

She ruined them. She used them in ways that made absolutely no sense.

Nikki running for Senate? Victor loving Sabrina more than any of his wives? Dru strangling Carmen? Brad & The Reliquary? Jack marrying Sharon? Neil & Lily's paternity? Katherine the businesswoman? Ashley being banished to B&B? Amber? The Baldwin Fishers & Cane eating the show? Clear Springs?

The amount of damage she did is insane.

I didn't think she had a lot of story for Katharine. Jill had the Ji Min story, briefly. I guess there was Cane.

Jill & Ji Min were solid (if somewhat contrived) until Y&R fired Eric Steinberg.

Katherine basically sat on the backburner (when not acting like an idiot at Jabot) until Maria arrived.

Victor loving Sabrina more than any of his wives?

I thought that was Maria?

What was going on?

Bill was using her to establish The Dennisons. He was bringing on a whole new family & using her as the anchor. Unfortunately other issues (his health, Jess & Granville having little chemistry, etc) were the real issues.

But Bell probably knew he was going to do the Billy/Mac story, so he had stuff coming up for her, anyway.

Billy/Mackenzie was all Alden.

Edited October 3, 201114 yr by DeeeDee

I thought that was Maria?

Touche.

Subtract that & add Victor's epilepsy.

With Nikki shot for NOTHING.

You can also add Victoria & JT, Nick & St. Giggly, Lauren becoming a Baldwin Fisher prop & Paul being increasingly pointless too.

Ah. Thanks!

She ruined them. She used them in ways that made absolutely no sense.

Nikki running for Senate? Victor loving Sabrina more than any of his wives? Dru strangling Carmen? Brad & The Reliquary? Jack marrying Sharon? Neil & Lily's paternity? Katherine the businesswoman? Ashley being banished to B&B? Amber? The Baldwin Fishers & Cane eating the show? Clear Springs?

The amount of damage she did is insane.

I definitely agree with you about Latham (although I think she was right to phase Ashley out - I think the character ran out of story a long time ago). I was just wondering what you thought she did to Katharine and Jill.

I remember Jess won an Emmy around the time of her backburner period, for her work in the Who Shot Victor? story. I guess Bill Bell did at least always keep the character's integrity.

Using Jill to anchor a new family onto the Y&R canvas would have been awesome. It connects them to the show's roots while infusing the stories with "new blood." Not exactly my ideal reconfiguration of Y&R (w/ the Brookses & Fosters returning gradually and reconnecting with the Abbotts, Newmans and others in ways that would make sense) but probably the next best thing.

Touche.

I'm not trying to make you look bad, DeeeDee. Actually, I was thinking I had it wrong and that Victor and Sabrina began w/ Latham.

Victor's epilepsy. Good God. That [!@#$%^&*] doesn't work even on paper.

Edited October 3, 201114 yr by Khan

I definitely agree with you about Latham (although I think she was right to phase Ashley out - I think the character ran out of story a long time ago).

See it was a bad move to banish Ashley. The problem with Ashley isn't lack of story. It's using her as a mindless Victor prop (especially since Ashley should have been DONE with Victor after Robert's death).

I was just wondering what you thought she did to Katharine and Jill.

Turned them into idiot Gloria & Cane fans (when not leaving them on the backburner).

If ANY two characters should immediately know a self involved, money grubbing social climber it's Katherine & Jill yet Gloria (and Amber) somehow got a free pass.

And their mutual love of Cane? Ugh.

I remember Jess won an Emmy around the time of her backburner period, for her work in the Who Shot Victor? story.

Exactly.

She had just finished two huge stories with an Emmy win when Bill chose her to anchor his new family so Jill wasn't really hurting for lack of story.

I guess Bill Bell did at least always keep the character's integrity.

As did Jess.

Using Jill to anchor a new family onto the Y&R canvas would have been awesome. It connects them to the show's roots while infusing the stories with "new blood." Not exactly my ideal reconfiguration of Y&R (w/ the Brookses & Fosters returning gradually and reconnecting with the Abbotts, Newmans and others in ways that would make sense) but probably the next best thing.

Actually, I was thinking I had it wrong and that Victor and Sabrina began w/ Latham.

No you were right.

Victor and Sabrina was definitely Maria.

It's amazing that though she (Sabrina) debuted in Jan/Feb & was dead by September.

O M G, I forgot about the Katherine/Amber love affair.

Katherine isn't against caring about strays but Amber (and later Kevin)? Ew.

Kay: "Amber, dear, you remind me so much of myself when I was your age."

Me: "Well, I guess it takes one baby-switchin' skank to know another."

It's amazing that though she (Sabrina) debuted in Jan/Feb & was dead by September.

The one time Maria's worst habit as a "writer" worked in our favor.

Actually wasn't Josh Griffith responsible for a lot of what went down the first half of 2008 which lead to MAB screaming he was abusing his power to rewrite stories and scenes leading to Griffith's firing? Or so the story goes, cause then after Griffith left we had that nice little upswing aka honeymoon period aka fool's gold for MAB&Co. (July 2008-May 2009)

I think the main two problems of the Dennisons was 1. There wasn't any chemistry between Jess Walton and Granville Van Dusen 2. There was a lot of criticism over it repeating some of the story of Jill marrying into the Abbotts. Still the Dennison sisters managed to get a lot of mileage in for the five years they were on and the stories even at their worst were still passable.