To me a spinoff is any show that features an existing cast member moving into a new venture.

I'm sure it was dull, but wouldn't giving the show a chance have been an example of MTV wanting diversity in programming?

I think for it to be a spin off it would have to have some kind of connection to the former series, and this didnt aside from lauren being on it. The tone and look were even much different.

And no, because for MTV to pikc this up would have been dumb. I was obsesed with the hills/laguna beach but would not tune into this. There was no hook, nothing to watch every week, it was just... blah.

Self-loathing gay men who have been oppressed by their parents? I've seen that in quite a few places over the years.

Since MTV treated this as a car crash, I don't know if any point about his struggle ever got through. All I ever saw was comments calling him a racist, and various other insults. There were about 2-4 consecutive seasons where gay men seemed to be presented mostly in negative ways focused on conflict and rage within the house. I still don't understand the point of that man who was in a war with the anorexic. I could only watch a few episodes of that season.

Of course a lot of gay men do behave horribly towards other people, and deserve to be called out, but somewhere along the way I felt like they had decided to cast based on stereotypes, manipulating for big screamy melodrama, and not a lot else. The whole idea of people from different walks of life being in a house together doesn't work when a show tries too hard for conflict. I don't need to see another screaming match between the bitchy queen and the various women in the house, or some type of perpetually race-fueled raging between the gay man and the man edited as the angry black guy, etc.

I saw people call him racist, because ya know he made a cruel racial remarke but i also seen people feel for him, his struggle, and what he has had to deal with. They even just paired him with the guy that whole thing that went down with the new challenge and they discussed it. Really, that and the other incident you mentioned, between Tyler and Paula on key West are prob the worst two moments for gays on the real world. I dont remmeber what the paula/tayler issue was, but everyone on that season ws pretty curel to Paula.

I will take your word about Teen Mom. I will have to try it sometime.

The thing, is teen mom is sensationalized by the magazines because the viewers do care about these girls and the magazines act on that and bank on it. There is nothing MTV can do about that. Also, Teen Mom 2 was not well liked, so again it call comes to the cast. the girls of teen mom 1 are a hit, and people care and are invested, likely because they had the most interesting episodes of 16 and Pregnant.

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Its interesting that TWO spin off's have surpassed their original series in popularity. Teen Mom and The Hills.

To me a spinoff is any show that features an existing cast member moving into a new venture.

Do you also consider Audrina to be a spinoff of The Hills even though it has absolutely nothing to do with that show?

Its interesting that TWO spin off's have surpassed their original series in popularity. Teen Mom and The Hills.

Ive never seen Teen Mom, but The Hills in its early seasons was definetly better than Laguna Beach. It really came into its own by season 2 when Spencer was added, Audrina became closer with Lauren and Lauren and Heidi's relationship started to split. That was good tv. Unfortunately Whitney always remained irrelevant until she got her own show (which shouldnt have gotten cancelled when it did). I felt it had at least 1 more season left in it

Ive never seen Teen Mom, but The Hills in its early seasons was definetly better than Laguna Beach. It really came into its own by season 2 when Spencer was added, Audrina became closer with Lauren and Lauren and Heidi's relationship started to split. That was good tv. Unfortunately Whitney always remained irrelevant until she got her own show (which shouldnt have gotten cancelled when it did). I felt it had at least 1 more season left in it

The Hills was exactly like laguna beach... UNTIL Lauren vs heidi at the club! That set the rest of the show on fire, and the last half of laurens season when kristen took over just didnt gel well, but it found its footing in the final season. It somehow got even more scripted, and even more real at the same time lol.

As for the City, man... that show def deserved at least another season. Olivia vs Erin was GOLD! And Kelly catrone? Amazing. Roxy needed to go, and i honestly wouldnt have missed Whitney either.

If MTV insists on NOT airing anything music related anymore (and showing music videos at 2am is b.s. in my opinion), they should just change the name of the network.

I suggest calling it the Teenage Trash Network, or TTN for short. Lord know it's living up to that name nowadays.

+1

And it died about 12 years ago if I remember correctly.

LOL.

I grew up with decent 90s MTV. You know, when they had TV shows that were hilariously written and still played music as well!

MTV doesn't stand for Music Television anymore, that was announced a year or two ago. It only remains MTV because it's a major brand. They can't just change the name. So at least they recognize they aren't about music anymore.

I do wonder why they can't change it. Sci-Fi changed their name (to a stupid name, but there you go). So did TNN. Would anyone really notice or care if they changed it?

I do wonder why they can't change it. Sci-Fi changed their name (to a stupid name, but there you go). So did TNN. Would anyone really notice or care if they changed it?

Exactly my point. Didn't TNN change its name like three times?

I do wonder why they can't change it. Sci-Fi changed their name (to a stupid name, but there you go). So did TNN. Would anyone really notice or care if they changed it?

Because MTV is a brand. Why would they change it?

SciFi went to SyFy to market itself internationally, and TNN changed its name from the Nashville Network to The National Network, not a big change until they compeltely re-branded as Spike, but TNN was an MTV level brand.

Because MTV is a brand. Why would they change it?

It would stop all the "where's the music" talk.

It would stop all the "where's the music" talk.

I dont think they spend much time caring that former people, likely outside their demo, complain about the lack of music.

And they shouldn't, its not Music Television anymore, and hasn't been for years. Its officially just MTV. It doesnt stand for anything. Its just the brand of the network, movie studio, publication house, etc..

By the way, i am excited to see The Perks of Being A Wallflower made into a movie. MTV is behind both the great book, and the movie i think.

It would stop all the "where's the music" talk.

People who keep talking about that really need to get over it arleady. Its not called Music Television Network, its MTV. Thats simple enough to understand. Most of the people that keep complaining about this arent even watching or supporting it anymore so their opinions are irrelevant to those in charge over there

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Meh brand or not, might as well change it, it won't affect the network any. They're branding themselves as something they're not and haven't been in over a decade