Y&R Discussion for week of November 22nd

[Antoyne]

Pretty much in love with this...I think you nailed absolutely everything on the head...One thing you pointed out and I've noticed as well was I've started hearing about these hedge fund things on the news..Weird

[P.J.]

Y&R seriously needs both new blood and some outsider to prune the cast down to a manageable size.

[Saving ATWT]

Y&R has too large a cast with far to many new characters being introduced within a short amount of time. May people look at a large cast as a good thing, as if this translates into the show being a big budget production; however, only RC (OLTL) and DM (ATWT) were able to make this work with the latter having only mixed results.

ATWT had a similiar problem with bloated cast and unseen vets during the 1970's: It was the number 1 show and didn't want to toss the baby with the bath water in terms of axing vets and loosing viewers. Bell created a youth-focused show (hence the very name of the soap) and retired a good many fan favs during his tenure. I understand why the network wants Y&R, 'The Next Generation', in terms of demos; however, few of these new additions can act and fewer are well-developed characters.

I'm among the few who liked LML along with her efforts to merge the Abbots with the Fisher/Baldwin clan. Under Latham, Gloria was an entertaining and powerful character but now she, along with Jeffery, need to go--the current regime will never have story for them aside from Glow Worm and Hogan. Jill, now that she is no longer Kay's daughter/protege, is pretty much lost in space. Lauren and Michael have no purpose aside from this 'battle' with a wilted Daisy. Cloe, who was off to a great start, is a poor match with Kevin. Jena has been ruined and is going mental ATWT Julia-style meaning she will probably sexually attack Keven soon. I adore Kevin but his character, aside from his noble urge to adopt the baby and undo the curse of Terrible Tom, has failed to grow and mature. Phyllis will never mature. Deacon sould be dead. I could go on and on about other character but, by now, it is pretty clear in terms of the direction I'm going.

I do disagree with te previous posting about wardrobe and feel that this is the only thing Y&R does well. By far, Y&R is the best dressed soap cast. Daniel looks great--he is an artist and, in this case, the "salvation army" look and facial hair work. The same goes for Victoria who is supposed to be Yoga Girl and all things retro. I like that the various characters express their personalities via hair and wardrobe. It would be pretty silly for an artist to sport American Eagle outfits or for Victor to show up in the latest Tommy Hill tee. Too many soaps have every character dressed exactly the same regardless of job or interest.

Production values are way down. Suddenly, every new set is too bright, woody and generally a shade of yellow. The show was known for dark sets with dark lighting and I hate MaBell's design style. Even Kay's iconic living room is being lit differently. I understand small changes had to be made for HD but this is overkill with every apt. having the same Wicket front door.

[juniorz1]

Did you SEE what they had MTS wearing on Wednesday and then yesterday? This is the best dressed soap cast?

Yes, Daniel is an artist, but when he was having art shows with Amber, etc..., that's when they were dressing him like an artist. Most artist's have somewhat of a unique style. Tan trench coats, scarves, greasy hair, and growth(s) on his face do not equate style.

No, she's not.

She's the daughter of Victor and Nikki Newman and an accomplished businesswoman, not following Phish on tour all summer.

[DeeeDee]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Khan]

Frankly, nothing these people do surprises me anymore. What does surprise me, though, is that people continue to keep it afloat in the ratings when it doesn't really deserve to be.

[P.J.]

Crap. I'm not used to this weekly thread thing.