I just can't see Natalia, this is Natalia, she talks like a bull horn, she was shy? never in love?

Again though it happens.

There are people who go their whole lives without falling in love.

Wow great episode, much better than yesterday's. The Angie/Natalia scenes were the highlight, finally Natalia opened up....glad to get some insight into why she's been resisting a more serious relationship with Brot. Loved the Brot/Natalia scenes at the police station, they work well together. I would love to see these two become more, but I don't see AMC really doing it with them...we'll just keep getting these little baby scraps with them like twice a month. But I would love to be wrong about that...

Bianca is the only lesbian/gay character in soaps right now, and I wish AMC would embrace that. Unfortunately, they seem to be ignoring it. It really annoys me that Reese still has yet to come back from Paris to sort things out with Bianca. I mean WTH is she doing? Can the writer's at least explain? Reese loved Gabby and Miranda and I just don't buy that she'd just live with not seeing them for this long. AMC needs to either bring her back or kill her off, this should be what they're doing with Bianca right now. Sorting out her relationship with Reese.

Loved Caleb and Jackson's conversation and how they patched things up with each other. I didn't realize these two had something in common regarding their children. Jackson didn't meet Greenlee until she was an adult, and Caleb has already met his son as an adult, he just doesn't know it yet. lol.

Edited October 13, 201015 yr by AllmyDaysatGH

Bianca is the only lesbian/gay character in soaps right now, and I wish AMC would embrace that.

Seriously.

Erica interfering in Bianca's love life = GOLD

Again though it happens.

There are people who go their whole lives without falling in love.

In fact I think it's more common, if anything. I think this turn is fairly realistic, she holds herself to too much responsibility and sees falling in love as leaving herself vulnerable.

I do think it was a good episode, and I also agree that we need to address Bianca's love life now (we had a brief conversation way back with Kendall about something being wrong--that I can barely remember, and then she teared up and avoided the subject recently with Erica). However, I'm kinda ok with this for now. Obviously they haven't completely forgotten about the Reese issue and I think (I hope) they address it soon when they're done with all the Greenlee/Kendall drama (which I hope is not too long, as I'd find Bianca drama more interesting). If they can't bring Reece back (and I'm not attached enough to her to care one way or another), I'd like it best if in classic soap fashion she found herself with another woman and that really led to her addressing the issue.

Him being smug is a sin now? again JR knew about the theft after he legally purchased Cortland, Caleb took money, Caleb spent the Chandler money, everything there was legal. Scott's part was illegal, the farthest that goes is the Chandlers get bad publicity and have to pay off a large percentage to the Cortlandts but the NanoTech was funded and manufactored by the Chandlers. The purchase of Cortland is still official, unless JR did that w. prior knowledge to the Nano theft, which he didn't. He wants Scott to STFU b/c Scott coming out w/ this after what happened in the house last night was making JR wonder where his mental state was. He's screwing the family over here, he's screwing his dad's business here.

I know, it just goes to say that JR sees him as family, he was pissed w/ Scott b/c he secretly wanted Annie all this time. Yes JR was an immature punk there.

No, him being smug is why Caleb is so passionate about taking him down. Scott is not crazy and JR knows that. He doesnt care about his mental state. JR is an a-hole. Its who he is. He's not being genuinely nice here acting for the beneefit of Scott. Anyways, we're talking in circles so lets agree to disagree till another day

Srsly I think they are teasing Brot and Natalia to have her come to terms w/ her liking girls. I just have that feeling b/c who the hell buys that she has never been in love and she's what 25, 26? maybe she's faking the team she's playing for.

Technically she is 20/21 and its not unheard of for someone that age to never have a boyfriend. Im not sure they will make her a lesbian bc they barely do anything with Bianca on that front. I definetly think its being kept open though as she seems very uncomfortable wtih Brot. She could be confused or just going there bc of the pressure she's been getting from people.

Edited October 13, 201015 yr by Cheap21

Liza has her boy toy running errands, fetching her lattes. Mark it down Damon/Liza will sleep together by the end of November.

I hope so!

Scott's actions today wasnt about stupid. It was about taking responsibilty for his sins. He owned up to what he did. That should be commended. The guy DID commit a crime. Seeing Annie with JR was a big slap of reality. He was turning into someone he was not. He had done stuff he was not proud of. A big part of why he did that was for Annie bc he wanted to be a powerful figure for her and he wanted to build this new life with her and now he realizes that he was in over his head. What Scott did today was somethnig that 95% of the hypocrites in this town dont do and thats fess up to their crimes and let justice deal with them. As someone who likes Scott, I wish he had not done that, but I cant really fault him be was righting a wrong that never should have happened in the first place.

Angie and Natalia's talk was by far the best part of the show. That was some really good writing and I was glad to see Natalia finally open up. She talked about stuff that many of us have been wondering about. I hope it doesnt end there and that her past gets explored even more. There has to be more to why she is so defensive and guarded when it comes to her personal life.

Exactly! Scott took full responsibility for what he'd done, which so rarely happens on soaps anymore.

I loved Angie & Natalia's conversation. Natalia clearly needs to work on her issues and imo she doesn't give off the supposed "lesbian vibe" I keep reading about on this board.

I have a very beautiful heterosexual female friend who you'd think had boys climbing all over each other to get to her when she was in high school. But she was preoccupied with school and playing basketball, running track. Not until college when this dude aggressively pursued her and she finally relented did she fall madly in love and have all of her sexual firsts. It does happen. And didn't Oprah just do a show last week on black women in their 30s who were still virgins? Natalia seems like she was fun but super shy around boys and just came straight home and did her homework and talked to Cassie Carpenter while she made dinner.

Exactly. And I hate to sound insulting by referring to this hypothetical lesbianism as a "cop out", but I can't help but feel that way. Maybe cop out isn't the right phrase, but at least a huge wasted opportunity for these two. Unfair.

How many soap characters their age do you know who've been on the canvas going on three years and have never even kissed another character?

ICAM! Natalia & Brot haven't really been given a chance and I'd hate for the writers to waste them by suddenly turning her gay and sticking her on the backburner with Bianca. Let's face it, if Bianca had a real girlfriend who wasn't just short term like Reese, she'd end up like Lena did.

Technically she is 20/21 and its unheard of for someone that age to never have a boyfriend. Im not sure they will make her a lesbian bc they barely do anything with Bianca on that front. I definetly think its being kept open though as she seems very uncomfortable wtih Brot. She could be confused or just going there bc of the pressure she's been getting from people.

She said she's never had a serious relationship--I know men and women into their 30s (and there are prob even older examples), who are socially functional human beings and have never had a serious relationship for whatever reason.

She said she's never had a serious relationship--I know men and women into their 30s (and there are prob even older examples), who are socially functional human beings and have never had a serious relationship for whatever reason.

my bad, that was a typo. I mean to write NOT unheard of. I know women in their 40s without a serious relationship and are socially functioning as well

Oh haha, I apologize then. No, I completely agree--if anything it's a bit refreshing to have a soap character who's relatively mature and confident who hasn't had a great romantic past, something fairly unheard of in the world of soaps (where, if they haven't, then there's something like a history of abuse standing in the way for a man to help "cure").

They make her a lesbian and pair her w/ Bianca, that's a long arc SL. B/c she'll likely be in the first gay triangle for females on AMC. That's front burner material, interacial, lesbian, Natalia figuring out she is gay, SK getting emmy worthy material, CBL's Bianca gets a SL and love interest. Why wouldn't you want this for her?

Because I've seen what happens to Bianca's love interests. "Interracial, lesbian, Natalia figuring out she is gay..." What network are you watching? SK is a beautiful, talented black woman who has been languishing on the backburner for years while Bianca's love life has never been her own. It's been a tool for angst for other characters. Even her "groundbeaking" wedding was just spank bait for Frons and a prop for the majesty of Zendall/Rylee. Her uterus was home to Zach Slater's spawn and her wife was sucking Zach's face the night before which was almost as surreal as Bianca agreeing to share her wedding day with the woman who used to call her "Lesbianca."

The fact that Natalia is still such a blank slate after all these years shows how little commitment they have to her and have ever had to her. Turning Natalia gay won't get SK Emmy worthy material. It won't get her any material at all. It'll just be a plot point that'll get her a one-way ticket into the mass grave with Rain, Lena, Maggie, Zarf and Reese. (Did I miss anyone? Does it matter?) Why WOULD you want that for her?

I won't even get into the concept that the only woman on the show who doesn't clickety-clack her way around Pine Valley in stilettos and spaghetti straps and doesn't make goo-goo eyes at Ryan Lavery simply MUST be a lesbian.

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If they were even considering a lesbian relationship--wouldn't we have had some clues or "meet-cute" scenes with Bianca or something, by now?

Because I've seen what happens to Bianca's love interests. "Interracial, lesbian, Natalia figuring out she is gay..." What network are you watching? SK is a beautiful, talented black woman who has been languishing on the backburner for years. Bianca's love life has never been her own. It's been a tool for angst for other characters. Even her "groundbeaking" wedding was just spank bait for Frons and a prop for the majesty of Zendall/Rylee. Her uterus was home to Zach Slater's spawn and her wife was sucking Zach's face the night before which was almost as surreal as Bianca agreeing to share her wedding day with the woman who used to call her "Lesbianca."

I agree.

The fact that Natalia is still such a blank slate after all these years shows how little commitment they have to her and have ever had to her. Turning Natalia gay won't get SK Emmy worthy material. It won't get her any material at all. It'll just be a plot point that'll get her a one-way ticket into the mass grave with Rain, Olga, Maggie, Zarf and Reese. (Did I miss anyone? Does it matter?) Why WOULD you want that for her?

Sarah and Frankie.

Anyway, I think it would be cool to have a black gay character somewhere on daytime. And, no, I don't mean Down Low Chad and Hermaphrodite Wanda Sykes on Passions.

I agree.

Sarah and Frankie.

Anyway, I think it would be cool to have a black gay character somewhere on daytime. And, no, I don't mean Down Low Chad and Hermaphrodite Wanda Sykes on Passions.

I still can't believe Passions actually got a GLAD media nomination...

I still can't believe Passions actually got a GLAD media nomination...

its not like theres a whole lot in daytime to choose from.

I believe up yours.

Um... no thanks. Not enough disinfectant in the world. You can keep it.