I also have some outside the soap world issues with feeling much empathy anymore considering how high the black vote was against gay marriage. Tough to keep on showing support when the people you show support to turn right around and spit in your face.

Wait. What?

There was no "how high".

If it helps you sleep at night to believe the "High Black Vote" was Gay Marriage's enemy that's on you.

The prejudice isn't spoken out loud but sometimes that can be an even more dangerous prejudice. Was it a coincidence that Daphnee Duplaix was fired around the same time as Scott Evans and Brett Claywell?

Don't even bother with it Carl.

That post was a perfect example of why race is, was & always will be a problem.

That core/legacy stuff is such garbage. Those are just code words for "characters I want to watch." CJ hasn't been seen or even talked about in any meaningful fashion since childhood while Sarah's been back in three incarnations to fairly uneven audience response. Being part of the coriest of core families hasn't made them pivotal. But there's a certain segment of the audience that judges everyone by that core family yardstick and the few interlopers like Rachel who get through, get tossed based on some other random quality they don't meet. Bottom line, they write for who they want to write for and they don't want to write for minorities.

+1.

1994? Could it have been the suits panicking over OJ Simpson?

Nope.

It was cause Daytime was getting "Too Brown".

Daytime execs & the majority of its audience don't really want diversity.

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Wait. What?

There was no "how high".

If it helps you sleep at night to believe the "High Black Vote" was Gay Marriage's enemy that's on you.

Apparently, that urban legend continues among some in the gay community. RME. There is always an excuse for racism.

Apparently, that urban legend continues among some in the gay community. RME. There is always an excuse for racism.

Exactly Ann. Exactly.

Nope.

It was cause Daytime was getting "Too Brown".

Daytime execs & the majority of its audience don't really want diversity.

Yeah. But I can easily imagine a couple of racist f***kheads using it as an excuse, even to the point of citing potential marketing problems. Dress it up and call it an unfortunate business decision. And then of course patting themselves on the back later when the trial started and racial tensions were more evident.

Apparently, that urban legend continues among some in the gay community. RME. There is always an excuse for racism.

Totally disregarding all that white bread Mormon money that financed it. (Prop 8)

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Yeah. But I can easily imagine a couple of racist f***kheads using it as an excuse, even to the point of citing potential marketing problems. Dress it up and call it an unfortunate business decision. And then of course patting themselves on the back later when the trial started and racial tensions were more evident.

They don't even need excuses.

Daytime is about selling "romance".

And Daytime doesn't even acknowledge Minorities actual People so romantic stories are out of the question.

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I forgot to mention the disgrace that is to watch Renee Jones on DAYS, she barely gets airtime, she is tied to down to boring 'ol Abe, and they never give her story. She is Stefano [!@#$%^&*] DiMera's daughter, yet she just sits on the sidelines. She has lots of chemistry with her male co-stars, but nope TPTB wont let it happen. So many things and so many places to take that characterl, but DAYS wants to keep their token black couple together, so it will never happen.

On AMC I only saw a few potential interracial SLs this past 3 yrs. I'm sorry but Frankie/Madison are just no...I just would never be able to buy that and w/ characters like Scott, Ryan, JR hangin in PV, where she came from? even the BFFs is hard to buy but SG sells it.

Anyway

Colby/Dre would have awesome to watch, they had the could have went from friends to lovers vibe, Sterling Sulieman was wasted on Yaya Dacosta's annoying voiced, beedy eyes ass.

Scott/Randi, I still remember that scene where he was hitting on her and now DV got better so this should be attempted again Scott/Randi/Frankie that would be a very interesting dynamic to watch unfold.

Natalia should have been w/ a Chandler, she could have been w/ Scott, heck she could have even been w/ JR and made for a better SL because for the life of me why do I have to watch Jacob Young's hot UNF ass wasted on Brittany 'would you pass the cookies&milk' Allen.

Seriously. It sucks these days to watch actresses like Tika Sumpter, Daphnee Duplaix, and Shannon Kane sit on the backburner with no real story. These ladies are/were better than half the female cast. Yet they get nothing.

I would actually like to see maybe an Asian character with another race, or maybe even a Muslim (Arabian/East Indian woman) and have her deal with internal conflict on her religion, while having a relationship with an American man (who doesn't know she's Muslim)

But who am I kidding, that is WAY too progressive for daytime.

That's not only too progressive for daytime, it's too creative. All the stories that get shoveled out now on soaps are very poorly crafted and predictable.

Something else which still annoys me with ATWT is that they had Bonnie in this romance with Dusty, which was barely seen, then they had Bonnie ushered out of town because they said Dusty would never get over Jennifer. That was Jessica's likely last EVER appearance on the show, and probably Bonnie's too. And yet in no time at all after that, probably weeks, Dusty was in love with Janet and it was "Jennifer who?"

I guess some might say it's better for a soap to be honest about their lack of interest in diversity than to pretend otherwise, but to just throw away Bonnie, and Jade, to have nothing more than a sullen Montegan son of Craig's who has been oncamera for about a minute, that's a sad way to leave the airwaves, especially after ATWT made such efforts starting 25 years ago to integrate Oakdale.

I don't even think about race in soaps anymore. After the episode with OLTL scapegoating Kish for their ratings I think there are new fronts in the war against discrimination that are more timely and the problem more acute. No soap ever dismissed actors for portraying a black character and then said the black characters were driving their ratings down. And the whole jewish thing is a perpetual problem, but one I can sort of understand considering jews make up something like 2% of the population in the USA (and I say this while being jewish myself). It is tough to ask for an accurate portrayal of middle american small towns and then insist there be a synogogue on every corner. But one of the soaps with the 100 or so characters on contract, one of the soaps could have written in a jewish character somewhere along the line.

I also have some outside the soap world issues with feeling much empathy anymore considering how high the black vote was against gay marriage. Tough to keep on showing support when the people you show support to turn right around and spit in your face.

The soaps would never let anyone know they were dismissing a character because of race (as a good chunk of viewers are minorities), but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened before.

As for the gay marriage think, don't blame Blacks for that, the blame lies with Social Conservatives and Liberals who say one thing in public and do another in the voting booth. There's no way Prop. 8 passed in California without some of the progressive liberals out here supporting it.

Based on what I know about prop 8 it sounds like one of the reasons it passed was that its proponents were very effective at mobilizing and getting opponents of gay marriage to get out and vote while a lot of progressive people stayed home.

On AMC I only saw a few potential interracial SLs this past 3 yrs. I'm sorry but Frankie/Madison are just no...I just would never be able to buy that and w/ characters like Scott, Ryan, JR hangin in PV, where she came from? even the BFFs is hard to buy but SG sells it.

I thought it looked like they were heading for Frankie/Madison for a little while. I could've bought them. More than I buy the chemistry free Frankie/Randi pairing.

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I thought it looked like they were heading for Frankie/Madison for a little while. I could've bought them. More than I buy the chemistry free Frankie/Randi pairing.

Randi is a viable character, but she needs a recast. BADLY.

Randi is a viable character, but she needs a recast. BADLY.

They should have gotten rid of Denise when they moved to LA. I tried to give her a chance when she first came on board but she just doesn't fit the role and adds nothing exciting to the show.

I thought it looked like they were heading for Frankie/Madison for a little while. I could've bought them. More than I buy the chemistry free Frankie/Randi pairing.

After what she did to that family? do the Hubbards really need this? and it's not like she would be longterm w/ Frankie, ppl want her to be the snobby girl she was when she first walked in...she likely cheats on him and moves on to the Chandlers or whoever is flavor of the mth. Denise Vasi eversince being bumped to support has actually shown some chops, I'm starting to enjoy her in the limited role.