Even Paul Rauch, not exactly multi-cultural, gave the Buchanans their Maria. And for that I will always be grateful

If, say, the Lords had been a black family from the start, this would be another story. But all the main families are white, all of their children are white, and the love interests are white. So adding minorities to the show really is like shoving them in there even though they don't fit.

Then by all means enjoy your white show with it's white families and white history in the town of Whiteview, Whitesylvania. But don't expect black me to give a [!@#$%^&*] when it gets canceled.

Even Paul Rauch, not exactly multi-cultural, gave the Buchanans their Maria. And for that I will always be grateful

I know that none of us are about to sit here and praise Paul Rauch for anything race-related, but this is just what I'm talking about, how such a simple piece of casting can do wonders... for your audience and for your show's landscape. I was reminded of Maria when there were talks of J-Lo playing Sue-Ellen in the Dallas movie. A J-Lo fan I am not, but I took no issue with the idea of a latina beauty queen marrying into this white Texan family, a great modern twist. I thought having Hank, then Rachel, then Nora was great but felt a little jilted when it was only Nora who remained.

Did you think RJ's daughter Keri was going to go insane?

No I didn't, but then she had been so poorly written from the start (I'm going to carry my mother's child, and I don't know it, but it's my boyfriend's child from a dirty one night stand!), I wasn't as shocked as I wish I had been. Still the message in that story was just awful. A sane black woman turns into a lunatic in order to prop up the blonde princess.

No I didn't, but then she had been so poorly written from the start (I'm going to carry my mother's child, and I don't know it, but it's my boyfriend's child from a dirty one night stand!), I wasn't as shocked as I wish I had been. Still the message in that story was just awful. A sane black woman turns into a lunatic in order to prop up the blonde princess.

There is no word on how Rachel will leave the canvas and I'm pretty sure Layla will follow her soon thereafter. If either of these women are allowed to leave the show with any dignity in tact, I'll be pleasantly surprised. I feel so badly for both actresses. I felt the same way when RJ was downgraded as well.

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I think, or at least hope, Rachel will. Layla, I think if she goes she will just leave town quietly, like one line.

This here...jeez. I just missed Wheel of Fortune [!@#$%^&*] around with this thread.

All of the WoF contestants were white.

I think you mean: VOODOO!! You know the witchcraft practiced by black people.

+1.

I don't mind that the show remembers Lily. Making Lily a main character was groundbreaking and for all her personal stuff Leven acted the hell out of that part but...yeah the exiling of Reggie to neverending basketball camp was insult on top of more insult on top of injury.

I don't mind AMC remembering Lily but it's at Reggie's expense.

Jackson has THREE kids but AMC acts like Reggie never existed while Greenlee gets constant story & Lily an occasional mention.

AMC had Levin for the anniversary show but didn't ask Jordan?

I assume that we'll never see Livia or Tom again now that AMC has moved west. I hate the fact that those of us who loved both of those characters and that couple were never allowed to see them grow into an old, reliable Pine Valley family.

A 50+ Interracial couple with a Black son with careers & no enemies?

Not a chance.

Argh, that! What a suckfest! I eagerly tuned in to clips of Hank and RJ only to see Hank do...nothing and RJ play Tea's fluffer for Todd. Neither of them had a scene with NuRachel. Is it any surprise that TPTB fired DD when they clearly had no commitment to the character? They de-aged her, isolated her, then stuck her on the Dayplayer Plantation with the Evans family.

Exactly.

No they aren't but Debbie, Darnell and Cornelius are a pleasure to watch regardless.

That they are!

This here...jeez. I just missed Wheel of Fortune [!@#$%^&*] around with this thread.

All of the WoF contestants were white.

I caught the tail end! The white guy with the moustache won. He didn't solve the puzzle though. "BRAIN WAVES" All of those white spaces, not enough black letters.

If they are included it's because the network did them a favor.

And if they aren't grateful for the scraps they're given those scraps will be reduced even more & given to another more grateful minority.

He is valuable now because the white core character needs him. He apparently has no value on his own.

As Carl said it's amazing how little his life has progressed that 10 years later Cris can be worked right back into Jessica's orbit.

Did you think RJ's daughter Keri was going to go insane?

WITCHCRAFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Her performance earned her the right to an insignificant minor role as a speedbump in someone else's story.

The poor Gannons.

Tim got it for Todd/Tea, Daphne got it for Sky/Gigi, Sherri got it for Antonio/Jessica.

At least poor Purdee just got the attic.

Even Paul Rauch, not exactly multi-cultural, gave the Buchanans their Maria. And for that I will always be grateful

+1.

Whiteview, Whitesylvania.

MAKE IT HAPPEN ABC!

I felt the same way when RJ was downgraded as well.

How do you NOT write for Tim Stickney?

HOW???????????????????????????

"♫'Cause we only have White Life to Live!♫" SIDDOWN Peabo, Kassie's got this now!

The poor Gannons.

Tim got it for Todd/Tea, Daphne got it for Sky/Gigi, Sherri got it for Antonio/Jessica.

TDS got it twice. First for Bo/Lindsay then again for TNT.

"♫'Cause we only have White Life to Live!♫" SIDDOWN Peabo, Kassie's got this now!

:lol: :lol:

TDS got it twice. First for Bo/Lindsay then again for TNT.

At least he got a scene with Robin.

Best Couple Ever.

I was super-pissed when they cast Barbara Niven as Keri Reynolds's mother when I was all pumped up for a new African-American leading lady.

I wish they'd reverse-cast Blair with Mia Korf, which would force the revisiting of the Starr, Jack, & Hope castings. That would reinforce diversity pretty much immediately.

I think a lot of this argument is moot because EVERY casting is basically a shoehorn. One can't claim Rex is virtually a Buchanan when his link, Natalie, was a shoehorn into an already too-complicated history of Jessica's birth.

The Buchanans were shoehorned into the Lord family and basically ate it alive (where'd Meredith go? Victor? Tony? Oh yeah... DEAD.) Nora shoehorned into the Buchanans (shedding the Gannons). Natalie was shoehorned into the Buchanans. Rex was shoehorned into Natalie's history (and later Mitch's). Gigi & Shane shoehorned into Rex's. Brody into Gigi's. Stacy into Gigi's. Schuyler into Stacy's. Kim into Stacy's.

Let's look at all the current cast... (I'm skipping the Buchanans collectively, since I just covered that)

Blair - Shoehorned into the Cramers through a long-thought-dead Addie, then regressively recast with white, southern Kassie DePaiva.

Brody - See previous paragraph.

Charlie - Shoehorned through the Gigi introduction story, then tied to Jared, who was shoehorned into Jessica's alter Tess's off-screen history.

Cole - Extension of shoehorn Marty.

Cristian - Minority Romeo to white Jessica, family was built around him and Carlotta, introduced as Dorian's maid.

Danielle - Extension of shoehorn Tea.

Destiny - Shoehorned into Matthew's story. Family built around her and Shaun who was introduced through ill-fated Vincent Jones, who was intro'd through Cristian.

Dorian - Shoehorned into the Lord family. Cramers built around her.

Gigi - See previous paragraph.

Greg - Shoehorned in through Destiny/Shaun.

John - The definition of a shoehorn, coming in through Shoehorn Natalie, McBains built around him consisting of Michael who essentially destroyed the Al Holden character and expedited shoehorn Marcie off the show, and Eve, who was shoehorned into Bo's life, then vanished. Never mind that mess Shannon McBain. Marcie, by the way, was an off-shoot of Jen Rappaport, an off-shoot of Sam & Lindsay, who were an off-shoot of Nora and Todd.

Kimberly - See previous paragraph.

Kyle - Shoehorned into history as Rebecca Lewis's never-before-mentioned brother, and introduced through shoehorns Natalie and Jared.

Langston - Shoehorned into the Cramers through Starr.

Layla - Shoehorned into the show through Evangeline, who was shoehorned in through Mitch Laurence during his previous stint.

Markko - Shoehorned in through Cole, Langston, Starr.

Marty - Shoehorned into the Lord orbit via her lupus which played on Viki's recently dead daughter Megan.

Mitch - Satellite character shoehorned into the Lord orbit (through Tina, Viki) and a family built around him (Jessica, Rex, Roxy, Walker (also Todd), Miles)

Oliver - Shoehorned into the canvas through the police department, Bo/John.

Rachel - Extension of Shoehorn Hank and now Nora.

Rex - See previous paragraph.

Robert Ford - Shoehorned in through David Vickers, a shoehorn to the Lords (in his introductory story) and the Buchanans (in recent story).

Roxy - Shoehorned into Viki's off-screen history.

Schuyler - Shoehorned into the Todd/Starr babynapping story, then attached to Stacy.

Shane - See previous paragraph.

Starr - Extension of shoehorns Blair and Todd.

Tea - Shoehorned into the Vega family history and then attached to Todd.

Todd - Shoehorned into the Lords through much convoluted backstory AFTER leading the gang-rape of Marty.

Viki is the ONLY original character. EVERYTHING else has been a shoehorn in some form or another. And I hope to NEVER have to write the word "shoehorn" ever again.

Rachel's phasing out is definitely devastating to me because as sad at it is, the black characters tied to white core families have the best CHANCE of survival (logically, with familial story purposes), but the show clearly gave up on Rachel despite even tying her to several "new" characters like Matthew and Schuyler. It's the same feeling I had when Justus Ward was horribly miscast (twice) and senselessly murdered on GH. I will never understand that decision.

It's the same feeling I had when Justus Ward was horribly miscast (twice) and senselessly murdered on GH.

Both Justus & Rachel were de-aged a good 10-15 years & it still wasn't enough.

Ugh.