EricMontreal22, no way Blackfish knew what was about to happen. He would never betray his sister, nephews, and their banner men. I suspect that they just wanted to add to the drama of wedding by having him there and then have a lucky escape. We do know that Frey has at least two older sons since they are the ones who negotiated the marriage. One of them killed Cat.

I feel bad for Edmure. He gets stuck having to marry a Frey daughter because Robb breaks his oath. Edmure then gets lucky and gets to marry a lovey young Frey girl, only for him have to wake up the next day to the horror of learning that his family and their banner man have been slaughter. What a nightmare!

Would he even make it through the night? The whole group as being destroyed. (I honesty can't remember if he's in the books later, so that' not a spoiler.)

You;'re right about the songs and Blackfish, of course. In terms of Blackfish--it just seemed odd to add him there, but your explanation makessense. I guess it took him a long time to find an approprite pee-tree....

Yep more shocking than that. Ned being killed off was shocking but he had doom looming over his head (didn't realize it would be literally). He was captured and things weren't working out his way. Here though I did not expect any of that at all. They were celebrating a wedding and were happy and partying. The massacre seemed so abrupt. I honestly did not think Cat would be killed. After Robb was, I thought Cat would be spared and kept as a prisoner, but nope that was the end of her. It was like one blow after the other. Definetly the series most shocking moment yet

I see you point. Although I think after Ned was killed, I would think that anyone would be could be killed, but I agree that the audience had been lulled in complacency since no one major has died in a while.

Would he even make it through the night? The whole group as being destroyed. (I honesty can't remember if he's in the books later, so that' not a spoiler.)

Most definitely. Edmure is the Lord of Riverun which is why Frey took him as the second choice. Frey would need to be sure that Roslin had conceived and gave birth to a healthy child (multiple children would be even better) before he killed Edmure and even then, it would be unlikely that he would kill his son-in-law who has no power to harm him although after what he did to Robb and Cat, I suppose anything is possible.

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I think it's been more than clear too, but I had read some of the books before the series started. But one thing, as has been pointed out, Jon and Dany re the two sorta on either end of the outside--seemingly fighting for a greatergod han all the in-wars and back and forth fighting between the Westeros groups.

Ironic that so many critics think both fo these actors are the worst in the show (something I don't really agree with, I think they are both more than fine for their roles.)

Jon and Dany (and Arya) are the clear leads, but Jon and Dany each star in their own little TV shows that could literally be edited out and set up as spin offs. If Dany makes it to the mainland and interacts with anyone named Lannister or Stark by season 6 I will be shocked. At the pace her story is proceeding, she should hit land sometime around season 12.

Ironic that so many critics think both fo these actors are the worst in the show (something I don't really agree with, I think they are both more than fine for their roles.)

I don't think that either are good actors, but they are damn sure pretty which makes up for it in this case.

Jon and Dany (and Arya) are the clear leads, but Jon and Dany each star in their own little TV shows that could literally be edited out and set up as spin offs. If Dany makes it to the mainland and interacts with anyone named Lannister or Stark by season 6 I will be shocked. At the pace her story is proceeding, she should hit land sometime around season 12.

LOL! So true. They are going to have to do a final two hour finale when Martin finally finishes the last book.

They are that. I also think they're decent TV actors--meaning I'm not sure I could see thm in many roles, but for these roles, for myself, they work. (Dany's actress got some good noticies this spring in Breakfast at Tiffany's on Broadway, though she got some negative ones aswell and the show itself was almost universally disliked.)

And Ann, that's obvioously a very good point about Edmure, and one I didn't even think of.

I think it's been more than clear too, but I had read some of the books before the series started. But one thing, as has been pointed out, Jon and Dany re the two sorta on either end of the outside--seemingly fighting for a greatergod han all the in-wars and back and forth fighting between the Westeros groups.

Ironic that so many critics think both fo these actors are the worst in the show (something I don't really agree with, I think they are both more than fine for their roles.)

I'm not sure Dany really is. I guess she's trying to free slaves, but Ser Jorah is right. If and when she gets to Westeros, the small folk will bleed just like any other war. She isn't going to be able to stop that.

At this point, we've seen the white walkers, so we know that Osha and the Red Priestess are right. The true battle is beyond the wall. I guess we are supposed to see The Lord of Light as the good force here, which is kind of hard for me to do. I suppose he's some sort of old testament god who is good even though he's demanding blood sacrifice.

One thing that kills me about this show is we have relatively good people on opposing sides of this fight (Tyrion, Dany, Davos, Stannis The Starks), basically weakening each other (or planning to), while the real fight hasn't even started yet.

I'm really excited for the next episode. I want to see where things end for the year.

I'm not sure Dany really is. I guess she's trying to free slaves, but Ser Jorah is right. If and when she gets to Westeros, the small folk will bleed just like any other war. She isn't going to be able to stop that.

I'm really excited for the next episode. I want to see where things end for the year.

Agreed re your last comment.

As for Dany, she still is seperate and not personally connected (except through lineage) to all the complex politics between the Westeros crew.

Agreed re your last comment.

As for Dany, she still is seperate and not personally connected (except through lineage) to all the complex politics between the Westeros crew.

I meant that I'm not sure she's in it for the greater good exactly.

I have never understood the role of the Lord of Light in all of this. What is this god going to contribute to the war with the White Walker beyond The Prophecy.

I meant that I'm not sure she's in it for the greater good exactly.

Oh, I can agree with that--that's not what I meant.

I have never understood the role of the Lord of Light in all of this. What is this god going to contribute to the war with the White Walker beyond The Prophecy.

Part of it is simply overtaking the old ways and sorta progress, I think (if that makes sense.)

Part of it is simply overtaking the old ways and sorta progress, I think (if that makes sense.)

So it is believing in one god, the Lord of Light is supposed to be progress? That is banal, but makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

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So it is believing in one god, the Lord of Light is supposed to be progress? That is banal, but makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

I''m not sure that's what GRRM is going for. I mean, this god demands little boy's private parts as a sacrifice. Is that progress?

Progress was the wrong word, but I can't think of a better one lol (still, it's not like early Christianity--or even later--was not without its even more hypocritical sacrificial lambs and violence.)

Progress was the wrong word, but I can't think of a better one lol (still, it's not like early Christianity--or even later--was not without its even more hypocritical sacrificial lambs and violence.)

For sure. I really don't know what's going on with the Lord of Light, but it does seem to have real power. I'm just wondering if it's a force for good or evil. At this point I assume it's some sort of force that may help against the white walkers in some way. Maybe. I'm a little suspicious though given what happened to Renly, The Spider and Gendry. I just wonder if this is some sort of force with it's own dark agenda. Too soon to be sure I guess.