1 hour ago, Mitch64 said:

I couldn't stand Bruno...Wheeler had a habit of hiring these sweet young things like Bruno, the woman who is on BTG's now (lets hope she got better) and the Lizzie actress (who I thought was good but totally miscast as Lizzie...who should have beena  bit more intense and darker) Bruno was so damn sweet that it made my teeth hurt, plus, we didnt need another Cooper on screen.

I liked her as Dollar gave her a sarcastic teen vibe, and the good ole, blue collar girl trying to get ahead (I wanted a scene where she finds the N.R. loves K.N. carve in the wall in Nola's bedroom..."It looks like the girl who lived her wanted to get out too") but then Bruno made her this sweet young thing who vied with Harley in giving all the men in town the hots.

I just liked Dollar's Marina enough to make the distinction when Bruno comes up. 

Not sure which Lizzie actress you mean. 

29 minutes ago, Khan said:

Don't you just love how the P&G soaps would occasionally treat their audiences as if we were morons, lol?

Yea...I still don't get how an actor, writer, director..someone on the set didn't say, "They met when he came back to town, it was on screen, the audience saw that..." (its like Whoopi Goldberg in Soap Dish..."He was decapitated...I looked it up..he DOESNT HAVE A HEAD!") but maybe they did and as you say, they didn't give a crap it was someone's bright idea that they did and they said "Screw it, those dummies will eat this up as long as we show Mike showing his abs in the next scene."

It kind of like Amanda is Bradon's kid...which COULD have worked if they actaully watched the video and read the scripts back then (Jane Marie Stafford was her name at the time she gave birth and they said in a million times so it would be on the birth certificate) so a potentially good storyline ( Alex protecting Alan from the truth back fired and made them enemies again, Amanda the feral child of Brandon being the outsider in the family, not a kid of Alans' but totally cut off from the sibling dynamic Alan and Alex have, even when they are at each other's throats) was ruined from a write and producers laziness.

3 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Not sure which Lizzie actress you mean. 

Well all of them were miscast..Lizzie should not have been a cheap Paris Hilton knock off, but the last actress, who seemed more like Mindy's illegitmate kid then a child born of the angsty Phillip and Mindy, and who killed a man to protect her mother...

Edited March 14Mar 14 by Mitch64

17 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

Well all of them were miscast..Lizzie should not have been a cheap Paris Hilton knock off, but the last actress, who seemed more like Mindy's illegitmate kid then a child born of the angsty Phillip and Mindy, and who killed a man to protect her mother...

Crystal Hunt was next to last & the very last, I believe was Emme Rylan, who also was called Marcy before Emme. 

18 hours ago, Khan said:

Herrera, in particular, had the very Herculean task of making a two-dimensional villain with no redeeming qualities appealing to the audience.  It wasn't an easy task, but by God, he did it (for the most part, I could've done without all the returns after 1989).

Totally agree. Although I love the '01-'02 return, with him egging Barbara into madness and   engineering Carly, Emily and Rose's kidnappings. 

 

17 hours ago, kalbir said:

Back to GL 1977-1980, who wins MZ Roger vs. CB Alan?

Who's the bigger villain? Roger.  He raped two women, he was about to kidnap Chrissie, and he was blackmailing Alan. Alan was morally corrupt, but you always felt he had some kind of ability to care about someone other than himself. Not so with Roger.

5 hours ago, P.J. said:

Who's the bigger villain? Roger.  He raped two women, he was about to kidnap Chrissie, and he was blackmailing Alan. Alan was morally corrupt, but you always felt he had some kind of ability to care about someone other than himself. Not so with Roger.

I haven't seen a lot of CB Alan, but were there times he could be considered an anti-hero/romantic leading man?

I never thought of Roger as an anti-hero/romantic leading man. Roger was a villain, but he was also a complex and layered character. MZ acting and the writing during the Potter and Calhoun eras is what allowed Roger to be more than just a one-dimensional villain.

8 minutes ago, kalbir said:

I haven't seen a lot of CB Alan, but were there times he could be considered an anti-hero/romantic leading man?

I never thought of Roger as an anti-hero/romantic leading man. Roger was a villain, but he was also a complex and layered character. MZ acting and the writing during the Potter and Calhoun eras is what allowed Roger to be more than just a one-dimensional villain.

I think most of that period of Roger was the material we can't see (the '70s), although I do think they circled around that direction again in 93-94. I wonder what JFP's plans would have been for the character if she'd stayed, as Roger goes back to being a full heel (and is more regressed than he ever was in his second stint) under Laibson.

Edited March 15Mar 15 by DRW50

46 minutes ago, kalbir said:

I haven't seen a lot of CB Alan, but were there times he could be considered an anti-hero/romantic leading man?

I never thought of Roger as an anti-hero/romantic leading man. Roger was a villain, but he was also a complex and layered character. MZ acting and the writing during the Potter and Calhoun eras is what allowed Roger to be more than just a one-dimensional villain.

Wait, what about the Dobsons?!! The marital rape storyline is what got it all started.

55 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Wait, what about the Dobsons?!! The marital rape storyline is what got it all started.

I said "the writing during the Potter and Calhoun eras", so that means Dobsons and Long/Curlee respectively.

52 minutes ago, kalbir said:

I haven't seen a lot of CB Alan, but were there times he could be considered an anti-hero/romantic leading man?

I never thought of Roger as an anti-hero/romantic leading man. Roger was a villain, but he was also a complex and layered character. MZ acting and the writing during the Potter and Calhoun eras is what allowed Roger to be more than just a one-dimensional villain.

I, personally, would never consider either Roger or Alan a romantic leading man. Some could argue Alan was briefly with Hope/Rita (or was at least working on turning that corner) and becoming more anti-hero-ish around that time with that and the Jennifer/Amanda story.

While I've never really seen pre-77 Roger (his relationship with Peggy), what I've seen never strays far from villain territory. Yes, he loves Chrissie/Blake and Hart, but it's always more about what he needs than affection. 

This isn't to say that CB's Alan and Roger aren't complex and layered characters. I would never call them one-dimensional. (Contrast them with a  cardboard villain like ATWT's Tonio Reyes ...ugh)  They love, but it gets smothered by their need to control and manipulate people.  Alan loses some of his complexity when Long takes over. Although in fairness, part of that is probably due to CB's health. He seems to be gone for chunks of time in '83. Particularly in the fall. There's a plot point of him leaving Vanessa in charge of Spaulding for a time to teach her a lesson, and then he's gone again and returns just in time for the reveal in the Eli Simms/Fishing picture story.

51 minutes ago, kalbir said:

I said "the writing during the Potter and Calhoun eras", so that means Dobsons and Long/Curlee respectively.

I beg your pardon. I totally misunderstood. I'm used to the writers being mentioned by name. However, I get what you meant, now.

The infamous Datalounge posted a link to what seems to be a rough draft of Megan McTavish book on being a soap writer.  Its mostly AMC (oh does she call Lucci out and sorta outs Geary from GH...) but there is a section on GL, mostly about Laibson and Garret's issues (while also outing Maureen, but I think MG has been out for a while now.)

McTavish seems..quite the character herself!

8 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

The infamous Datalounge posted a link to what seems to be a rough draft of Megan McTavish book on being a soap writer.  Its mostly AMC (oh does she call Lucci out and sorta outs Geary from GH...) but there is a section on GL, mostly about Laibson and Garret's issues (while also outing Maureen, but I think MG has been out for a while now.)

McTavish seems..quite the character herself!

It was posted here by EricMontreal in the AMC thread a few days ago before DL. We've been discussing it at length.

3 minutes ago, Vee said:

It was posted here by EricMontreal in the AMC thread a few days ago before DL. We've been discussing it at length.

I posted it in the Retro topic early Friday morning, long before Eric. 

9 minutes ago, Vee said:

It was posted here by EricMontreal in the AMC thread a few days ago before DL. We've been discussing it at length.

Ha..I never go over there..now I must!!!! I have always suspected someone here posting over in the Marvelous Midwestern Threads.

Edited March 17Mar 17 by Mitch64

38 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

Ha..I never go over there..now I must!!!! I have always suspected someone here posting over in the Marvelous Midwestern Threads.

Haven't been to DL in over a decade myself. It got sad and I have no clue how to post now with its weird paywall crap.

44 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

I posted it in the Retro topic early Friday morning, long before Eric. 

Donna, I keep you blocked and rarely look at your posts or acknowledge you directly for the sake of my own sanity, but because I've made aware that you've been going from thread to thread saying this about a beloved longtime poster and complaining that you're not getting enough credit for this topic, I'm going to say this exactly once: No you didn't.

Both of your posting history is readily available, and I checked it. Eric posted about Megan's memoir first, on Thursday of last week, before you. You then piggybacked off that by discussing Eric's mention of it in the AMC thread in your own post in the Retro thread, and talked about the PDF file. You never posted it. It was Eric himself who first brought the memoir up, and it was Eric who posted the PDF itself in the AMC thread. Now you are claiming you brought it up first and are clearly annoyed Eric is getting attention that you feel is due yourself. Except your version of events is totally wrong based on your own posts.

Eric is a longtime poster going back a lot of years who many people here care for and respect. You are someone many of us have blocked because of your attention-seeking behavior, thread derailment and constant spamming. I am sorry you cannot handle being the center of a busy conversation and not feeling important enough to this forum. You are just going to have to live with it.

Edited March 17Mar 17 by Vee