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Guiding Light, GL

GUIDING LIGHT

  • January 25, 1937 - June 29, 1956 on NBC Radio/CBS Radio

  • June 30, 1952 - September 18, 2009 on CBS

Guiding Light Discussion Thread

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28 minutes ago, DeeVee said:

So I watched the Sheri Anderson interview. If you're interested in how soaps are made, it's packed of great details of how soaps were written. She talks about some of the big storylines she was involved in, like the Luke & Laura rape on GH. She actually wrote the episode. I found it very informative and fascinating, especially when she talked about how the network and the producer get involved in stories being written.

Unfortunately, she spoke very little about GL (considering she was there during the black hole years of 1986-1987, I don't really blame her). But I think it's hilarious how she threw her co-headwriter, who also happens to be her ex-husband, under the bus. He just didn't understand how to pace a one hour soap. 😂

I think she was part of the problem with that teaming.

She, herself, even said that some writers don't fit on certain soaps and I don't think she fit on Guiding Light. Guiding Light wasn't a soap about romance, or at least the type of romance she wrote to great effect on GH & Days. GL was always a gothic soap with a tragic underbelly (i.e Kathy dying by her wheelchair going into traffic, her daughter Robin throwing herself in front of a car, Roger falling off a cliff and later coming back in an odd Phantom of the Opera story, the whole Ken Norris obsession and hatred of Ed, etc).

I also don't think Sheri was a good fit under the P & G umbrella... PFS also didn't fit in well at the company. Both talented writers, but neither getting the P & G soap vibe nor the Gothic vibes of GL at the times they were there.

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2 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

I think she was part of the problem with that teaming.

Oh, I'm sure she was, I just thought it was funny she blamed her ex.

2 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

She, herself, even said that some writers don't fit on certain soaps and I don't think she fit on Guiding Light. Guiding Light wasn't a soap about romance, or at least the type of romance she wrote to great effect on GH & Days.

I think this was one of the problems with soaps during the 80s and 90s. Trying too hard to replicate the success of GH. Days somehow found its own niche, but none of the others did.

From the dates they were credited on GL, I'm gathering they came up with the hunt for the chest of Andorra gold and the art theft story -- the kind of things that might have worked on DOOL or GH, but were just silly on GL.

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Does Sheri Anderson have a better reputation? Because based off her time at GL, she's not good.

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Sheri Anderson run on GL was November 1986 to July 1987. From the ratings, Pamela Long could not return fast enough.

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6 minutes ago, P.J. said:

Does Sheri Anderson have a better reputation? Because based off her time at GL, she's not good.

She wrote DOOL and GH during some successful periods. But that doesn't mean she was a good fit for GL.

7 minutes ago, kalbir said:

Sheri Anderson run on GL was November 1986 to July 1987. From the ratings, Pamela Long could not return fast enough.

I think she was trying to make Alan into a Cassidine/DiMera-style villain. Almost the minute Long came back she put a stop to that. Like I said many times, I never liked the pairing with Reva, but it made sense story-wise and at least Alan was acting like Alan again.

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Looks like Sheri officially came on board as co-head-writer right around Halloween (10/31/1986) looks to be one of the first episodes where she's credited as co-headwriter and it looks as though she and ex hubby were there through Reva's baby shower whenever that happened (where Will Jefferies is already on the canvas).

It looks as though the things she and ex hubby were responsible for were as follows:

Chelsea/Phillip - In fact, Chelsea shows up around 10/31/1986 since that episode shows Bea welcoming Chelsea and wanting to meet her French fiance.. and I believe there was a lawsuit that Chelsea tried to do against Cedars. And I think the start of Phillip/Chelsea happened during this period (and that was one thing I will say they did right was pairing them).

Rusty/Mindy - Looks like they introduced Rusty Shayne (not sure if already being planned for before the arrived and they just introduced him... but it looks as though they wrote him and Mindy as a couple.

Sarah - Reva's mama came on during this time.

Josh/Reva - Looks like they wrote that sudden reunion between him, with some gunmen following him while oddly this was a period where Reva had a job and a photography studio... plus the pregnancy and birth of Marah during this time.

Looks to have written off Simon, Jessie, Calla, & India.

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6 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

Josh/Reva - Looks like they wrote that sudden reunion between him, with some gunmen following him while oddly this was a period where Reva had a job and a photography studio... plus the pregnancy and birth of Marah during this time.

Robert Newman returned November 1986.

6 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

Looks to have written off Simon, Jessie, Calla, & India.

Maybe Kyle as well. Larkin Malloy departure 1987 but I don't know the exact month.

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7 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

Chelsea/Phillip - In fact, Chelsea shows up around 10/31/1986 since that episode shows Bea welcoming Chelsea and wanting to meet her French fiance.. and I believe there was a lawsuit that Chelsea tried to do against Cedars. And I think the start of Phillip/Chelsea happened during this period (and that was one thing I will say they did right was pairing them).

Chelsea blamed Rick for her fiancee's death, so she sued him and Cedars. It turned out later that Jean-Claude, I think his name was, had diabetes and never told anyone so that's what really killed him.

John Bolger was still playing Phillip when he and Chelsea first meet. But Grant came back soon after, I believe. Both are listed as having been on the show during 1986.

7 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

Rusty/Mindy - Looks like they introduced Rusty Shayne (not sure if already being planned for before the arrived and they just introduced him... but it looks as though they wrote him and Mindy as a couple.

Yes, they were together for a while. Yet another failed pairing for Mindy. I cannot for the life of me figure out why they couldn't find a good pairing for her. They were a snooze because TA was handsome but in an oddly uncharismatic way. You would think this would have been a priority for them, especially since Judi Evans had left. They had a young adult love gap that was definitely not being filled by Simon and Jessie. Anderson was known for creating super-couples, yet she couldn't figure this one out.

7 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

Looks to have written off Simon, Jessie, Calla, & India.

It says in the Guiding Light Wiki that Jeff Ryder created Dinah, but I think the way the story shaped up was mainly under Anderson and her husband. When Johnny, Simon and Jessie went to San Rios, Vanessa sent Ross to go after Jessie because she erroneously thought she might be her daughter. (Are they the ones who came up with that stupid Encantadora thing? Thank God that was cut short).

Oh, yeah, India--that means THEY'RE the ones who rather stupidly didn't take advantage of the chemistry between Chris and Mary Kay. (Though I suppose it's possible Mary Kay wanted to leave).

They also wrote out Warren. They're the ones who did the Paul Valere murder story. Warren got marched off to prison just before they left the show.

57 minutes ago, kalbir said:

Maybe Kyle as well. Larkin Malloy departure 1987 but I don't know the exact month.

Yep. Says in the Wiki he left January 1987.

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1 hour ago, DeeVee said:

Yes, they were together for a while. Yet another failed pairing for Mindy. I cannot for the life of me figure out why they couldn't find a good pairing for her. They were a snooze because TA was handsome but in an oddly uncharismatic way.

It says in the Guiding Light Wiki that Jeff Ryder created Dinah, but I think the way the story shaped up was mainly under Anderson and her husband. When Johnny, Simon and Jessie went to San Rios, Vanessa sent Ross to go after Jessie because she erroneously thought she might be her daughter.

Sticking Krista with dud after dud (Kurt, Rusty, Frank) and the general failure of Rick's romances just makes the fact Rick and Mindy never really got a shot even more head-scratching.

Dinah was introduced that summer (attached to the horrible Camp story). But Anderson would've written the underwhelming reveal, which was Nov/Dec.

Ergo, Anderson is the idiot who made Ross and Vanessa boring parents.

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1 hour ago, P.J. said:

Sticking Krista with dud after dud (Kurt, Rusty, Frank) and the general failure of Rick's romances just makes the fact Rick and Mindy never really got a shot even more head-scratching.

I'm Rick & Mindy 4Ever, so you know I never understood why they didn't give them a real shot.

1 hour ago, P.J. said:

Ergo, Anderson is the idiot who made Ross and Vanessa boring parents.

Since they left July 1987--that means they left just as or a little after Alan Michael was introduced to the story, because he arrived on the 4th of July. Before he arrived, they had set up Vanessa with Alan by making Vanessa act like a total idiot so Ross would leave her. Alan got the phone call from Alan Michael telling him he was coming to SF just after Ross caught them in the same hotel room in their robes.

Yeah, they did that. Boooooooo! 😂

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4 hours ago, DeeVee said:

I'm Rick & Mindy 4Ever, so you know I never understood why they didn't give them a real shot.

Since they left July 1987--that means they left just as or a little after Alan Michael was introduced to the story, because he arrived on the 4th of July. Before he arrived, they had set up Vanessa with Alan by making Vanessa act like a total idiot so Ross would leave her. Alan got the phone call from Alan Michael telling him he was coming to SF just after Ross caught them in the same hotel room in their robes.

Yeah, they did that. Boooooooo! 😂

Honestly, the only Musketeer who had (what I would consider) a popular other pairing is Beth and Lujack. All of the other's romances seemed somewhat disposable. Phillip's romances (up until Harley) were plot-pointy, Rick always got the short end of some stick. I guess the exception would be Kim Simms' Mindy and Nick, but I wasn't a big fan of them.

While I appreciate that Anderson didn't have Vanessa just fall apart after her divorce from Billy, she didn't seem to understand what made Vanessa tick.

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8 hours ago, DeeVee said:

Chelsea blamed Rick for her fiancee's death, so she sued him and Cedars. It turned out later that Jean-Claude, I think his name was, had diabetes and never told anyone so that's what really killed him.

John Bolger was still playing Phillip when he and Chelsea first meet. But Grant came back soon after, I believe. Both are listed as having been on the show during 1986.

Yes, they were together for a while. Yet another failed pairing for Mindy. I cannot for the life of me figure out why they couldn't find a good pairing for her. They were a snooze because TA was handsome but in an oddly uncharismatic way. You would think this would have been a priority for them, especially since Judi Evans had left. They had a young adult love gap that was definitely not being filled by Simon and Jessie. Anderson was known for creating super-couples, yet she couldn't figure this one out.

It says in the Guiding Light Wiki that Jeff Ryder created Dinah, but I think the way the story shaped up was mainly under Anderson and her husband. When Johnny, Simon and Jessie went to San Rios, Vanessa sent Ross to go after Jessie because she erroneously thought she might be her daughter. (Are they the ones who came up with that stupid Encantadora thing? Thank God that was cut short).

Oh, yeah, India--that means THEY'RE the ones who rather stupidly didn't take advantage of the chemistry between Chris and Mary Kay. (Though I suppose it's possible Mary Kay wanted to leave).

They also wrote out Warren. They're the ones who did the Paul Valere murder story. Warren got marched off to prison just before they left the show.

Yep. Says in the Wiki he left January 1987.

I mean this as no disrespect to Krista T, but she didn't strike me as a chemistry magnet and I think that is why any attempts at pairings (Rick, Kurt, Rusty, Frank) never really took off. Although I will say I thought she and Frank had a nice rapport. I say this because Kimberly Simms as Mindy had great chemistry with Roger, Mallet, & Nick.. oddly even had some chemistry/rapport with Rusty.. yet didn't have any with Rick (Barbara Crompton's Mindy was the only Mindy that had chemistry with Rick..imho).

I think Anderson and hubby tried to make Rusty/Mindy & Johnny/Roxy (inherited) happen.. but the best pairing from their 9 month stint was Chelsea/Phillip.

I was browsing through some May 1987 episodes and I was surprised that Sarah Shayne was offered a job as a patient advocate at Cedars where Ed talked about Bert being the previous one while Sarah said she had heard good things about Bert. And that she and Lillian had a lot of scenes with one another in regards to Hawk and also working together at Cedars.

The one thing I noticed about this particular regime was that Reva/Josh were a couple, but KZ was pregnant and was off for some weeks due to maternity leave while a lot of the focus went to Roxy/Johnny, Dinah/Cam, Vanessa/Ross, and a lot of focus on Lillian. It is interesting that Lillian gets decent focus and story of her own when Long isn't head-writer.

And seeing Will in June 1987 episodes with him acting shady makes me wonder if Anderson had a plan for him that changed once Long came back and added Sonni/Solita to the mix?

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6 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

I mean this as no disrespect to Krista T, but she didn't strike me as a chemistry magnet and I think that is why any attempts at pairings (Rick, Kurt, Rusty, Frank) never really took off. Although I will say I thought she and Frank had a nice rapport.

I think that's one of the reasons she clicked with Rick (beyond Michael and Krista just being young and full of life in their early days together) as beyond Abigail, for a time, he never did either. When Rick and Mindy reunited at the end of the show I still thought they clicked.

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1 hour ago, P.J. said:

Honestly, the only Musketeer who had (what I would consider) a popular other pairing is Beth and Lujack. All of the other's romances seemed somewhat disposable. Phillip's romances (up until Harley) were plot-pointy, Rick always got the short end of some stick.

Awww, what about Rick and Abby?? They're so cute ) Still not sure how they end or how Abby leaves, but they've been together a long time now and it was so cute how they came together.

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1 hour ago, Soaplovers said:

I mean this as no disrespect to Krista T, but she didn't strike me as a chemistry magnet and I think that is why any attempts at pairings (Rick, Kurt, Rusty, Frank) never really took off. Although I will say I thought she and Frank had a nice rapport. I say this because Kimberly Simms as Mindy had great chemistry with Roger, Mallet, & Nick.. oddly even had some chemistry/rapport with Rusty.. yet didn't have any with Rick (Barbara Crompton's Mindy was the only Mindy that had chemistry with Rick..imho).

And seeing Will in June 1987 episodes with him acting shady makes me wonder if Anderson had a plan for him that changed once Long came back and added Sonni/Solita to the mix?

We disagree about MOL and KT's chem...but there's also a world of difference between the costars each was handed. While KS got experienced soap actors in VI, MD and Zaslow, Krista got stuck with the equivalent of blocks of wood in TA, DC and Mark Lewis.

It would be interesting to see what Anderson's plans were , long term. I would think Will was always slated to be bad.

@alwaysAMC lol...I know my opinions don't always line up with the more popular takes. While I didn't mind Abby, I'm not sure the character would've been handed a storyline outside of being Reva's talk to if she'd come on as anyone else's friend. To be blunt, at times it seemed like Abby was GL's attempt at a social issue story.

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