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Guiding Light, GL

GUIDING LIGHT

  • January 25, 1937 - June 29, 1956 on NBC Radio/CBS Radio

  • June 30, 1952 - September 18, 2009 on CBS

Guiding Light Discussion Thread

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Thanks both of you for such a detailed rundown. We do know that McTavish needs a strong EP to do her best work (I mean that;s usually true but is especially true for her...) I wonder if she was hired on the strength of her AMC alone, or if she actually "auditioned" by pitching the Brent/Marian storyline as is sometimes the case when new HWs are hired, especially when they have a compelling initial major storyline and then afterwards everything peters out.

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15 hours ago, EricMontreal22 said:

Interesting, as I have it on good authority that AMC's Erica Kane's pill addiction story WAS instigated by McTavish (at least the setup/concept) even though her name was off the end credits literally a few episodes before Erica had her fall.

What you say about the tone of the show (and how much the Marian storyline dominated and despite its offensiveness, probably offered most of the compelling material) jives with the episodes from this era that I've seen. Thanks for more details! Was Amish Reva McTavish or right before her?

It's interesting that while McTavish's three runs at AMC all ended up being unrelentingly dark (especially her later runs,) at her best she did seem to have the facility to provide AMC with lighter moments and some heart (Agnes Nixon's involvement as "exec head writer" or whatever the first go around notwithstanding.) and yet, she never seemed to have any of this at her other stints, at least from what I remember of her 18 months at OLTL and what I've read at her similarly brief GH run (of course in both instances she was probably essentially doing what JFP wanted.)

I also find it interesting that, despite a brief break with other writers, pretty soon after GL hired Brown/Esensten hot off The City (which I still think in its final months was a pretty strong soap, so it made some sort of sense to use them,) another ABC writing team known for some outlandish stories (although it wasn't until GL that they started to go sci fi/supernatural as they would on PC...)

That would make sense about the pill story being a McTavish idea as Erica isn't really given similar stories afterward - things still happen to her but not in quite as heavily an issue-based way.

McTavish had a history with GL but her heart seemed to be with AMC, and it showed.

I think she came up with the Amish story, yes. She may have been a writer for GL when Reva and Kyle crashed into Amish country.

I always figure that Rauch dictated most of what B&E did at GL, although they did try (I imagine they were the ones who kept trying to bring in a black canvas).

9 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

And the tasteless plot of Gilly trying to screw her own dad (of course she doesnt know it..) which wasted both the actress and the actor playing the dad (who could have actually been a black romantic lead...) It all fell apart after Brent, and she floundered..and you could tell she had no respect or love for GL and just seemed to hate to be there..(funny you could see that in the material of a writer.)

This story enraged me and still does. I can tell that GL was one of the soaps I loved most because few if other soaps could piss me off the way GL did.

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39 minutes ago, EricMontreal22 said:

McTavish needs a strong EP to do her best work (I mean that;s usually true but is especially true for her...)

Michael Laibson became EP in May 1995 and he is EP until December 1996.

Megan McTavish became HW in July 1995 and she is HW until October 1996.

GL entered cancel territory in 1995 and many consider 1996 as GL's nadir. Things got so bad in 1996 that there were two weeks GL finished behind Another World (July 29-August 2 and September 9-13) and two weeks GL tied Another World (September 16-20 and September 30-October 4).

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18 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

That would make sense about the pill story being a McTavish idea as Erica isn't really given similar stories afterward - things still happen to her but not in quite as heavily an issue-based way.

McTavish had a history with GL but her heart seemed to be with AMC, and it showed.

I think she came up with the Amish story, yes. She may have been a writer for GL when Reva and Kyle crashed into Amish country.

I always figure that Rauch dictated most of what B&E did at GL, although they did try (I imagine they were the ones who kept trying to bring in a black canvas).

This story enraged me and still does. I can tell that GL was one of the soaps I loved most because few if other soaps could piss me off the way GL did.

So many great points. Well, McTavish's bizarre autobiography almost entirely ignores her writing work at any show but AMC (I think she mentions a bit about GH and maybe that's all? I should give it a re-read.) So I agree, her affinity really does seem to be for AMC. Part of that too seems to be that she appreciated the legacy (even if she shat on it sometimes with stories like the un-abortion) While her memoir has a lot of grumpy/mean comments about Agnes Nixon, it also makes clear that she has respect for her and seems to revere her and want to please her (so many contradictions I know) and so maybe she also liked that aspect of working at AMC that, at least after Bill Bell was too sick to work at Y&R, you wouldn't have working with the other soaps (well aside from Loving back then--hrmm McTavish at Loving...)

I have to say, rewatching now I am much more impressed with the Erica pill story than I remember being (not that I wasn't impressed when it first aired, but... And as much as I revere Lorraine Broderick, it sure looks great compared to the follow up story with Baby Maddie.) That said, of course, most of the exposition for the pill storyline is the work of Corley and his team and then Broderick and not McTavish (it always interests me in transition periods just how much is playing out stories put in place by the earlier team.)

I had totally forgotten about the Rauch component and that, given his time at OLTL, it may have been him who pushed B/E to do more outlandish stories. Certainly if he was still there for the time travel painting, that wouldn't be so far removed from his time travel OLTL storyline. @Paul Raven is right to correct me, it looks like maybe it was the work of Lloyd Gold (it's from 2001 which according to Wiki Clarie Labine wrote until July of that year, but then Gold took over.

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21 minutes ago, kalbir said:

Michael Laibson became EP in May 1995 and he is EP until December 1996.

Megan McTavish became HW in July 1995 and she is HW until October 1996.

GL entered cancel territory in 1995 and many consider 1996 as GL's nadir. Things got so bad in 1996 that there were two weeks GL finished behind Another World (July 29-August 2 and September 9-13) and two weeks GL tied Another World (September 16-20 and September 30-October 4).

Bad ratings aside, how was Laibson as an EP? Did he have a strong vision at all?

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7 minutes ago, EricMontreal22 said:

Bad ratings aside, how was Laibson as an EP? Did he have a strong vision at all?

I wouldn't know. I didn't watch any of his run.

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Former head-writer Sheri Anderson (the head-writer that was there for months between Long's two stints) did an online interview and she did briefly touch on her time at Guiding Light. She mentioned that Joseph D. Manetta was her then husband and that he had previously been in charge of the soap opera writing program at CBS.. but she said that he wasn't prepared for the rigors of head-writing an hour long soap and that he rubbed some people the wrong way with him trying to do things differently and that partly caused them both to leave with her eventually being moved over to AW.

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Does anyone know why Hilary was recast? I don't remember the first Hilary, but did see her in that episode on YouTube when Bill Bauer returned. Anyway, she could've easily been recast again

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18 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

Former head-writer Sheri Anderson (the head-writer that was there for months between Long's two stints) did an online interview and she did briefly touch on her time at Guiding Light. She mentioned that Joseph D. Manetta was her then husband and that he had previously been in charge of the soap opera writing program at CBS.. but she said that he wasn't prepared for the rigors of head-writing an hour long soap and that he rubbed some people the wrong way with him trying to do things differently and that partly caused them both to leave with her eventually being moved over to AW.

I'm about to watch that--but how interesting. I know from talking to people who were involved, quite a bit about the ABC writing program but not about ones at other networks (I wasn't even aware CBS had one.)

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I don't know how McTavish got hired, but P&G was stepping up efforts to mimic primetime. They hired Stern and Black to write ATWT in early '96, and it was so disastrous, they were replaced before the year was out. (Stern and Black had written for Falcon Crest)

I'm sure P&G hoped McTavish would be their "lightening in a bottle" ala Pam Long, hiring an actress/writer. I'm not sure McTavish hated the show, but she no longer understood it. The way she handled Nola's return proved that.

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The P&G shows were not in a good place creatively at the start of OJ in June 1994 and they were effectively over in the aftermath of OJ. By the end of 1995, the P&G shows were the bottom tier (the Bell shows and Days were the top tier and ABC big three were the mid tier).

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38 minutes ago, bboy875 said:

Does anyone know why Hilary was recast? I don't remember the first Hilary, but did see her in that episode on YouTube when Bill Bauer returned. Anyway, she could've easily been recast again

No idea why Linda McCollough, the original Hillary was recast. I liked her a lot. She went on to a fairly good career in Hollywood, was even a regular on a TV show for a while. (Fun trivia: she was once married to Laurence Lau, the original Greg Nelson on AMC and one of the many Jamie Frames on AW).

32 minutes ago, P.J. said:

I'm not sure McTavish hated the show, but she no longer understood it. The way she handled Nola's return proved that.

HOW ODD that she played a part that was almost exclusively involved with the Reardons, and then she didn't write a good Nola return. YOU WOULD THINK SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECT FOR THAT.

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46 minutes ago, DeeVee said:

HOW ODD that she played a part that was almost exclusively involved with the Reardons, and then she didn't write a good Nola return. YOU WOULD THINK SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECT FOR THAT.

You would think it would've been a piece of cake for her. I'm not sure if she introduced "J" or not, but how could she not understand who Nola was and what the viewers expected from her return to Springfield? I'm still shocked at how badly it went.

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2 hours ago, P.J. said:

You would think it would've been a piece of cake for her. I'm not sure if she introduced "J" or not, but how could she not understand who Nola was and what the viewers expected from her return to Springfield? I'm still shocked at how badly it went.

I think she did. That first casting of him was also so poor.

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So I watched the Sheri Anderson interview. If you're interested in how soaps are made, it's packed of great details of how soaps were written. She talks about some of the big storylines she was involved in, like the Luke & Laura rape on GH. She actually wrote the episode. I found it very informative and fascinating, especially when she talked about how the network and the producer get involved in stories being written.

Unfortunately, she spoke very little about GL (considering she was there during the black hole years of 1986-1987, I don't really blame her). But I think it's hilarious how she threw her co-headwriter, who also happens to be her ex-husband, under the bus. He just didn't understand how to pace a one hour soap. 😂

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