1 hour ago, zanereed said:

There are the occasional episodes that have surfaced from 1973, as well as the two from 1977 that were put out by Soap Classics. I don't have the exact list any longer, but apparently UCLA has color kinescopes of TGL from 1973, assuming they are still playable. When Soap Classics were going through the P&G archive, there were at least 2 existing episodes from 1976 available (which they never had a chance to transfer and release), along with a black and white compilation tape of Bauer footage from the 1960's, possibly even into the early 1970's. Some of this footage was used on the "findyourlight.net" website, which included scenes of Ed Bauer in 1969 (being played by Robert Gentry) getting pulled over and jailed for drunk driving. I still believe there are still the occasional odd episodes with both film collectors and actors who were on the show from the 1970's. I couldn't believe the two episodes that recently surfaced from 1973 - including the return of Lynne Adams as Leslie! - so I believe anything is still possible.

Thank you, Zane. I don't remember that footage from findyourlight. I wonder if someone captured it before the site went away. UCLA has several episodes of soaps that are on a reel and haven't been transferred. I'm not sure why somebody doesn't do something about that. You would think it wouldn't be that difficult in this day and age.

9 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

Are you kidding me...didnt we get to see Beth Chambelin in all kinds of skimpy outfits? (and luckily BC killed it with her bod...) That was all Rauch...but I do recall a weird scene after Dolly died where Reva picked up her wig and put it on..there was "soap crazy" music playing but then nothing. By the end of the Clone story I just wanted someone to give Kimmer he "most demanding role" and make Reva mute for a cycle. I would love to see KZ mugging her way through that but she would find a mimway.

I'm not a Beth Chamberlain fan. I really wish they hadn't brought her back in '97ish. Lord, imagine Reva having to mime what she wants? My eyes, my eyes!!

10 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

Are you kidding me...didnt we get to see Beth Chambelin in all kinds of skimpy outfits? (and luckily BC killed it with her bod...) That was all Rauch...but I do recall a weird scene after Dolly died where Reva picked up her wig and put it on..there was "soap crazy" music playing but then nothing. By the end of the Clone story I just wanted someone to give Kimmer he "most demanding role" and make Reva mute for a cycle. I would love to see KZ mugging her way through that but she would find a way.

YES - I remember this happening and was like crap, what is happening... I just pulled up my notes from this episode and thankfully it was shut down quickly. This was August 1998:

Reva isn’t taking Dolly’s death well, and starts to lash out at Josh and can’t make love to him. She also wears Dolly’s wig and says she wants to feel what it was like to be in her shoes, which concerns Josh. Reva then sees Dolly’s spirit, who tells her basically to move on and she’ll be ok, so Reva finally comes to her senses and reconciles with Josh. Josh then takes her on a romantic trip to a cottage where HB and Martha honeymooned.

Well, I do give TPTB credit for not just sweeping all things Dolly under the proverbial rug and carrying on as if she had never happened. Yes, I hated the storyline with a passion, but it just wouldn't have made sense for Reva not to be affected at all by Dolly's passing.

48 minutes ago, alwaysAMC said:

Reva isn’t taking Dolly’s death well, and starts to lash out at Josh and can’t make love to him. She also wears Dolly’s wig and says she wants to feel what it was like to be in her shoes, which concerns Josh. Reva then sees Dolly’s spirit, who tells her basically to move on and she’ll be ok, so Reva finally comes to her senses and reconciles with Josh. Josh then takes her on a romantic trip to a cottage where HB and Martha honeymooned.

spit take...Reva unwilling to let Josh lay pipe? snort Sure, Jan. Kim probably had whoever came up with that idea fired on the spot.

3 hours ago, Reverend Ruthledge said:

Thank you, Zane. I don't remember that footage from findyourlight. I wonder if someone captured it before the site went away. UCLA has several episodes of soaps that are on a reel and haven't been transferred. I'm not sure why somebody doesn't do something about that. You would think it wouldn't be that difficult in this day and age.

There always seems to be this hell of P&G not wanting to do anything with their material and not wanting anyone else to do anything with it either, so it just rots. I still wonder if they ever did anything with those episodes they took clips from for the late '60s and early '70s (the final B&W episode, the episode where Lee Gantry dies).

7 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

There always seems to be this hell of P&G not wanting to do anything with their material and not wanting anyone else to do anything with it either, so it just rots.

Yet, they wanted to make a big deal about their participation in BTG. Tell me you still hold a grudge against Irna without telling me you still hold a grudge, lol.

12 minutes ago, Khan said:

Yet, they wanted to make a big deal about their participation in BTG. Tell me you still hold a grudge against Irna without telling me you still hold a grudge, lol.

Y'know, couldn't they throw us P&G fans a bone? Instead of some (virtually) meaningless "crossover" with Y&R/B&B, why can't they figure out a way to bring up the Oakdale or Springfield folk? Anita even comes from Chicago. (which is close enough to either.) Maybe have her mention how she spent her first big royalty check on a Barbara Ryan Original. Either viewers get the easter egg or the don't. But the obviously one-sided calls with fauxRidgeForrester or three lines from Neil Winter's kid are stupid.

21 minutes ago, P.J. said:

Y'know, couldn't they throw us P&G fans a bone? Instead of some (virtually) meaningless "crossover" with Y&R/B&B, why can't they figure out a way to bring up the Oakdale or Springfield folk? Anita even comes from Chicago. (which is close enough to either.) Maybe have her mention how she spent her first big royalty check on a Barbara Ryan Original. Either viewers get the easter egg or the don't. But the obviously one-sided calls with fauxRidgeForrester or three lines from Neil Winter's kid are stupid.

I can understand why they did those crossovers, for ratings purposes, but I do wish they'd acknowledge the P&G soaps. I know that sounds a bit arrogant, and maybe unfair, given how those shows weren't exactly interested in black representation (ATWT and AW coming the closest), but I hope they can someday. Unfortunately, something tells me even if those at BtG wanted to do them P&G and CBS would put the kibosh on.

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44 minutes ago, P.J. said:

Y'know, couldn't they throw us P&G fans a bone?

People went nuts a few months ago when BTG's Anita had a doctor with the last name "Bauer." Some even speculated he was a child of Rick and Mel who had at some point reconciled.

It would take SO little to please fans of their erstwhile shows. Things that would not require them to pay anyone royalties. Primetime shows do Easter eggs all the time.

1 hour ago, P.J. said:

Y'know, couldn't they throw us P&G fans a bone?

P&G could, but it seems as if they're almost ashamed even to MENTION those former shows, despite their continuing to tout their groundbreaking legacy in the field of daytime drama. And maybe I could understand how they feel, too, if I didn't think they were at least partly responsible for the utter messes those shows ultimately became.

I'm not sure BTG is strictly in the same universe as the P&G classic soaps. IIRC June on BTG was caught out for giving a fake alias to the DCPD as "Jessica Griffin," which another character noted was the name of a soap opera character from ATWT. It was a cute little Tamara Tunie in-joke, but I thought it was a shame to lock off referencing the same P&G 'universe.'

Of course they can always ignore that in future and do direct in-universe references to GL/ATWT/whatever. No one would care and I'm sure other soaps have danced across the line before.

Edited 7 hours ago7 hr by Vee

Watching the March 18, 1980 episode on YT, building up to the climax in Santo Domingo. Exciting stuff. Roger was posing as room service when Chrissy called out "Roger!"

15 minutes ago, Vee said:

I'm not sure BTG is strictly in the same universe as the P&G classic soaps. IIRC June on BTG was caught out for giving a fake alias to the DCPD as "Jessica Griffin," which another character noted was the name of a soap opera character from ATWT. It was a cute little Tamara Tunie in-joke, but I thought it was a shame to lock off referencing the same P&G 'universe.'

Of course they can always ignore that in future and do direct in-universe references to GL/ATWT/whatever. No one would care and I'm sure other soaps have danced across the line before.

They have. EastEnders had Dot Cotton watching Coronation Street, yet there was later a crossover between Corrie and EE, for charity.

33 minutes ago, Khan said:

P&G could, but it seems as if they're almost ashamed even to MENTION those former shows, despite their continuing to tout their groundbreaking legacy in the field of daytime drama. And maybe I could understand how they feel, too, if I didn't think they were at least partly responsible for the utter messes those shows ultimately became.

I think it's a certain ruthless mentality that these soaps are of the past and they can't make any money from them and anything but moving on from them entirely is the only way they can move forward. Even when the DVDs were supposedly selling decently in the early '10s, that plug was pulled. It is just so cold to me.