The Soapgeist ( The Nelson Ratings ) 7/13/09

[Rakesh]

The Soapgeist? I don't like that name at all. It's something I would expect SID to come up with. lol

Like Steve, I have no problem with Nelson. But his butt-kissing is very obvious and it's making people laugh AT him. He's better than that, and he can do better.

[alphanguy74]

I just double checked, and it DID have low ratings before the conversion, but only for ONE week after, Starting on June 22, the ratings are jumping back into place. Perhaps an influx of gay viewers?

[SteveFrame]

I wouldn't doubt that. They are the new fan base in daytime.

I love my gay brothers and sisters but jumping from show to show just because they have gay characters is no worse than what many fan bases have been doing for years - leaving and going when their faves leave.

I was just called a homophobe and traitor last week on My Space or Facebook because I said I didn't watch Ugly Betty and never had. I was told that as a good gay I should be watching every show that is willing to put a gay character on and support them.

Well sorry being gay is only one part of who I am and I do not judge what I watch based on being gay. I am not going to accept to watch [!@#$%^&*] just because it has a gay character on it.

That's the problem with the gay stories now. All the gays flock to see them and support them and the writers and the powers that be don't feel they have to do any better because the fans will watch whatever [!@#$%^&*] they throw at them anyway.

Could you imagine how good Luke/Noah, Olivia/Natalia and so many others would be if their fans would quit putting them at the top of every poll and constantly gooing and gaaing over them in the state they are.

I mean how can you even support them when they won't even show 2 men in bed. I can guarantee you if Estella had a niece that was a lawyer instead of a Rafe and that niece came to get the goods on Adam and Adam seduced her - we would have seen the two of them in bed together. We would have seen Adam and that niece in a kiss - a big old liplock- when Nikki caught them.

Sorry but as a gay man I refuse to support that [!@#$%^&*]. People got mad at Engen when they thought he refused to kiss a man onscreen. Well dammit where is the outrage at Y&R for not being willing to show it. And people the same source that said Engen refused to kiss a man onscreen is the one who reported that Y&R did not want to show it.

Again I ask where is the outrage. Isn't Y&R homophobic too? I ask you what is the differenc. One refuses to do. The other refuses to show it. Sounds like one and the same to me.

[jadia]

I come to expect nothing less from Nelson. When it comes to his interviews its best to just read the responses and move on. The man comes off as abrasive and when he likes something he pimps it to death and has no objectivity whatsoever. His fawning over MAB and Y&R has become downright revolting. She's done some great things but she's also done some crappy sl of her own. She's starting to believe her own hype. You need to call her on her ish every once in a while and not do off the record interviews about what she's done wrong.

He's not a journalist but a gossip columnist so just know what to expect. And at least this time he's talking about Lily the character and not the actress. I feel that sometimes he has gone overboard and some of the stuff he says about CK and others is totally unwarranted and tactless. Her only crime is that she gets to kiss DG, his latest crush. Sorry CK aint going nowhere, she's has one of the biggest fanbases on this show and even if CK acts up a storm in this upcoming sl, Nelson and others will never give her her due anyhow. And yes I do think she's a legacy character but yes not immune to be killed off though I see no point to doing so. Like her or not, the actor and character is popular unless ptb have stopped pretending to write for the black characters on their show, Lily is their most high profile.

And I find TB's story really inspiring but I'm sorry a top actor to watch he is not. I'm all for supporting gay storylines and diversity but dont pee on my leg and tell me its raining. The fact is this story is not he success that Y&R hoped it would be, as a matter of fact other then the acting, its quite frankly stunk up the joint. MAB should have came up with a better explanation then the stuff we're currently seeing. Its done nothing for TB whose clearly rusty and in the middle of a dramatic sl.

SF, ITA with you just because I'm off a certain group doesnt mean they get an automatic pass from me either.

[Ann_SS]

Where is the outrage? I have been wondering about that. I expected the same people raging against Chris Engen, P&G's kissing ban, and PMauceri would be up in arms against Y&R. I guess there is situational outrage about homophobia. Hypocrisy knows no bounds among some soap fans and soap gossip columnists.

[SteveFrame]

The only thing that Nelson has said on the matter is that is if Y&R doesn't show more between Adam & Rafe in coming weeks then he will go off.

Strange that he didn't give any leeway on lambasting others - yet Y&R deserves time before he rips them a new one. LOL

[bellcurve]

Yeah, even if that were so, you can't rely on "gay viewers" in daytime for the reason you have just mentioned. If they are ONLY watching the gay story, they probably aren't going to watch anything else and soon enough, they'll get edits from YouTube(i.e. "The Nuke Story" and "The Rafe Torres Story" :GAG:).

Daytime doesn't need female viewers, gay viewers or any specific "type" of special interest viewer. Daytime needs loyal followers who are devoted to their shows instead of the select few devoted to "the gay story."

PSH. I assume that will be because his invite to the Emmy Party got lost in the mail...

[DRW50]

There used to be a Hollyoaks poster who would put up clips of not only the show's main gay character (John Paul), but also John Paul's entire family. It was a nice way to get people into more of the show, and I imagine quite a few viewers started watching HO because of this person's work. But then eventually Youtube deleted the account, so not exactly a great incentive for others to follow that poster's lead.

The short clips for just a scene or two a day can be very counterproductive, because people will watch only "their" story and feel no interest in actually watching the show. This happens with many couples. I know a lot of people who say they only watch YT Scrubs scenes and that's it. I can't blame them, because most of GH sucks, and GH drove them to this, but there's no real incentive for viewers to try watching the entire show.

So that's why I'm not sure I believe people start watching a show because of a couple, or new gay characters. I *did* see some Otalia fans on various boards who started watching all of GL, and enjoying quite a bit of the show, but then the whole show went to hell, so, again...not a great incentive.

[Ann_SS]

I understand Nelson's self-interest in giving Y&R a break, but where is the yelling, finger pointing and righteous outrage from the posters on this board who went after P&G for the kissing ban, Engen, and PMauceri. How come they are so silent about MAB refusing to show a gay kiss?

LOL! You know that is the truth.

[SteveFrame]

I wonder that too. But I don't give Nelson a by either. If he is the friend of the gay community that he proclaims to be in pointing fingers and harsh remarks at Mauceri and Engen then he shouldn't be giving MAB and Rauch or Y&R any slack either.

He made up a story about a kiss (and yes he admitted to that on another board) to label someone a homophobe - and all based on unnamed sources that no one else has ever backed up. They all site that one source. And then he jumped on the Mauceri bandwagon when even Carolyn Hinsey pointed last week with more details it was about the character and not her. And now he is labeling Mauceri as the religious star. As if to throw another jab at her.

And yet he is willing to throw all that sanctimony away to kiss Y&R's ass.

[Ann_SS]

So Nelson finally admitted that he lied about the kiss. Ha. What a douche. He is a lying liar. Amazing all the crap he stirred up and all the vitriol that people threw at Engen based on Nelson's lies. Now that people should be rightly outraged at Y&R, they cannot open their mouths.

[SteveFrame]

Nelson said he chose to use the word kiss to hide the fact that they would have Adam sleep with Rafe. He did not want to spoil the story.

Several asked if there was ever a kiss planned and he didn't answer.

They asked him why if he didn't want to spoil the story that he broke the story a week before it aired that Adam would sleep with Rafe. He didn't answer.

Several told him that they didn't see any difference in spoiling the story 3 weeks before or 1 week before. The story was spoiled.

He never answered back.

He now says that CBS wanted a kiss between Rafe and Adam but Y&R did not.

Then as Errol posted here there was another kiss planned and Errol posted photos of it, and then it was cut.

So I agree where is the outrage here. I know some say they don't want to see the kissing and sex here since Adam is just using Rafe. And I suppose that is why there is no outrage. You will see them come out of the wood work when they go the route of P3 and Rafe and never show anything.

I still hold it is a disgrace. If Rafe was a Rapheala and a female - we would have seen a whole lot more between Adam and Rapheala when he seduced her. There would be more than just him touching her face. And you better believe when Nikki walked in you would have seen the two of them in each other's arms.

Talk about sending a double standard Y&R.

[bellcurve]

And this is directed to Nel's justification for lying about Chris Engen.

And Y&R DID have pictures of the kiss and maybe it was cut at the last minute, but Maria should have fought hard for it if she wanted this to be more authentic. And Maria and Paul don't get a free pass, because that kiss looked like something out of a high school play.

[Vee]

You've all gone insane, but your babbling seems to indicate there WAS a kiss. Regardless of whether there was or was not, Chris Engen left over gay material. Oh, well. Goodbye, homophobe. Again. For the ninetieth time.

Not that I am defending Branco. His comments about Daphnee Duplaix come out of nowhere.

[SteveFrame]

I don't know if Engen would have been a part of the kiss that Errol posted the pics here of. It was a stage kiss and seems like looking at dates may have been filmed or written after Engen had already chose to leave.

In the Suds Report and then at DR he said he used the word kiss to hide the fact that it was sex.

And sorry Vee you can call it what you want, but to me when Nelson lied about this - saying he did it to protect Y&R's story - he brought the whole thing into question. As many have said Engen had been complaining about so many parts of the story and so many of the things that Adam did.

Nelson brought his source and everything into question by what he said. He even goes on to say in The Suds REport a few weeks ago that there was never any sex planned it was intended to all be offscreen. The more he told about it the more he dug himself a hole.

And that is all that any of us were saying - there was way too much to this story that didn't add up. With the Mauceri stuff - other sources are coming out with stuff - even Carolyn Hinsey with new info and details. Still to this day - NO ONE BESIDES NELSON - has quoted a source. It has all been Nelson and his source. Every body else that reported it referred back to Nelson and added nothing new to the story.

And then we find out Nelson lied about crucial parts of it. Sorry maybe you are built to hate that easily but I'm not. I would hate to know that I could feel so good about labeling a man a homophobe and working to ruin him based on ONE source and a lie.