Members MarkH Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 LOL It's a good thing I get over anger really quickly! Life's been quite sh!tty lately, so Y&R is probably getting some deflected frustration too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 The World is about to fall... Wake up, Maria Arena! If your biggest fan ever in the world of all time has problems with your show, you must consider quitting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members classicmoment Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 The QUAD should have been a small part of the bigger story/picture for all 4 characters in order to move them on in other directions. These are characters that I love just for being the characters that they are. They are multi-dimension, they are flawed, unique, intelligent and strong in their own ways. To now make them only about this stupid plot (quad/wtd/musical beds/idiots) takes away all of those qualities in which I as a viewer love. There is nothing to love anymore. Being in this quad is not THE story for all these intricate characters when is TPTB going to realize that? There is more to each of them. The plots and individual character actions cannot be rational for the average intelligent viewer watching this story play out. The funny thing is they seemingly think they have so many miles ahead for this story but it is having the opposite effect for me as a viewer. I never want to see these four together again at this point (for me to enjoy the story as well as the characters). To me it is more obvious to have these characters branch out and play their dynamics with each other more subtle until it's reached the ultimate climax then wrap it up and call it a day. Now I don't care what the ultimate climax is I just want to not have to see what these characters each have been reduced to and are being kept as for the sake and purposes of this plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brimike Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 Very much like Victor/Nikki/Ashley was for years. Even when their storylines weren't necessarily about "The Triangle", they were always ABOUT "The Triangle". Y'know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 So, I guess we could argue that the original tale was also "the quad", because Jack was in it (too). The compelling dynamic is that we could see with Victor with both Nikki and Ashley, and saw the "love" in both directions. I guess Nick-Phyllis-Sharon could be the same...except that (and I say this with great respect), Nicholas is no Victor. Now Morrow can be really sexy and engaging...but he's not being that right now. I CAREFULLY compared his emotions yesterday with Summer to the Cassie arc (using Youtube to aid comparison). He is not into this storyline, and it shows. In both quads, Jack was the "spoiler". For Nikki, as with Sharon, he was the supportive man. I don't believe Nikki ever really loved him like a wife should love her husband. But Jack had other reasons to be in the story. His desire to protect Ashley. His desire to screw with Victor. In the current quad, Jack's participation makes much less sense. Okay, maybe he loves the damaged Sharon--in part because she is damaged. And I guess he has this "baby hunger", but it plays so flat since he is utterly disregarding his two sons. His feelings to Nick are far more conflicted--including the "stepfather" dynamic--which makes it all a little ickier. And the fact that Bergman is old enough to be the 'daddy'--and HAS been--really screws this up. Bergman is solid gold! But it is thankless that he's in this story. He was never the right fit for it. Your comment makes me wonder if the original "triangle" could still work in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 This story is centered on Sharon, which is the main reason I think the story has been floundering, because Sharon's actions are all plot-based. It's getting to the point where "lovers" or "haters" no longer see a character, but see the gears winding. That's a precarious place for the show to go, because if people stop believing, they stop caring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lovely_m Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 People liked that storyline until it got really stupid. It took what seemed like forever to get Kay's dna, then they added the cartoon villians, and then that lead to the chipmunk storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 Hmmmmmmmm.... Proof that we should not put Kay-Marge on too high a pedestal . Honestly, I think it was the funeral. And I think it was Murphy. Those two elements gave Y&R something really special. We FELT again. The stunt episode (Marge's farewell narration) was also amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 30, 2009 Author Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 LOL! Sylph is love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 30, 2009 Author Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 Let's not kid ourselves here people, the Katherine/Marge storyline WAS NOT good from state to finish. Need I mention the cartoon kidnapping and Maria and company not knowing when to end and how to properly pace a storyline? The beginning and middle were great, but as usual, they got lost somewhere in the ridiculousness of it all and it all faltered. How can we forget it led directly into the silver chipmunk fiasco too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 I have to say that after today... Seeing all those spoiler... Buckets of absolute crap, all unloaded at once on this poor, poor show. The insane amount of idiotic storytelling is puzzling. To say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 30, 2009 Author Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 I think this smiley is the most befitting of Y&R in its current state: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members classicmoment Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 Maybe I'm wrong because I think Nick is the center. Causing both Sharon and Phyllis to act like doofuses because of something they are trying to build this character to be. The character, as currently interpreted, is no Victor and that's fine I think that's the way it should be only certain things here and there should have Victor likeness. That is how the character has turned out after all this time why try to change it if it works?; Jack seems to be the afterthought throughout this story. PB just sells his material Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 30, 2009 Author Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 I'll always have this post as a reminder of when the shell finally cracked or when you try to rationalize any of the above stories you criticized in this post, Mark. Thanks for this, it really made my day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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