Members MarkH Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 See, but right there. The minute you say that, I PINE for Murphy-Kay conversations. I keep praying he'll move the trailer onto the ranch, and it will be his and Kay's hideaway. In my ideal world, each episode would end with a Kay-Murph epilog, them just reviewing the day and interpreting. They'd burn through so much less plot if they'd just slow down a little and not be afraid to play these things. We almost universally agree on this, so I wonder what the barrier is? Is it a FEAR that this will drive away plot-addicted younger viewers ("too boring") and ratings will fall? Doesn't the Kay story prove the opposite will happen? The bolded line is not funny...but it did make me laugh. Such a sad state for a once revolutionary part of the canvas. Even Aunt Virginia...whom I would have loved to see as a regular new addition...is missing. Sadly, even Y&R seems nervous about giving us the grandmothers and great-aunts. Mary Williams' absence is a palpable miss from story....but then again, so are Heather and Paul's. Imagine if Heather had scenes of trying to get to know her father and family better. And imagine if, in the process, he talked all about his sister Patty and how he felt about her. And imagine if Mary returned from her church trips (that is where I imagine she has been), and gets to know Heather. And imagine if Mary strenuously objected to that Adam-Wilson-person. Imagine if Mary started crying at the mere mention of her "sweet Patty's" name. Think how much more the reveal would mean then. I harken back on how MOVING that Christmas eve was, when Carl was watching his family at church, and flashing back to his family's younger days. It had been built up over months, and now -- at Christmas -- there was hope for a Williams reconciliation. (While that was eventually dashed, it was a terrific beat in the story). Now, if , who will care? ETA: I loathe, loathe this new "spoiler" thing. Other invision boards I'm on distinguish between [ spoiler ] (which does what it does here) and "short spoiler" [ sspoiler ], which gives us the blackening we're used to, with a line wrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRBB Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 Yes, and that was an issue with me even then--the pace was way too fast. But, it felt organic because it was a storyline set up from all the way back to 1989, and it was obvious that, despite the too-quick pace, it was very well-thought out and plotted. There was no feeling that they are pulling stuff out of their asses as they do now (you may not agree, but bear with me). There were not any out of the blue twists that made little to no sense. It was OBVIOUS that all this was planned long, long beforehand. But, when it ended, they had no more bible to work from. They just started doing things to fill the time. So the plots went faster and faster and faster. Honestly, we're reaching LML fast right now. But they still took the time to have conversations, Kay and Murphy at least took a couple of months to get together. Plus, the show was starving for a story with a strong, lovable diva. She was the absolute star of the story and it was an amazing tribute to the character. It may have been a succession of soap cliches, but it was done with the characters' integrity in mind. Now, anything, and I mean anything goes. Any character will do anything to suit the plot. In the plot-driven Kay/Marge story, we mostly got all of them acting like they would/should have. Other than that, I have to agree with every single thing that was posted as a response to your question. P.S. Yes, I wanted the story to last longer. Classic Y&R would still have Kay at the trailer park, her being discovered in November the earliest. Or probably as part of the Christmas miracle. Sound the trumpets, we agree! On everything on that post (which I had to cut for space ) and especially the new spoiler tags. Just absolute hate. I love love love the blackened thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 I told you, people, how to do it: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Sylph Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 After five spoilers, you'll remember! Yes, you have to! It's not like you post 100s of spoiler every day, it shouldn't be that hard. Or perhaps Errol can re-code spoiler tags like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JackPeyton Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 It was well written. Plot point? Sure. All of it. But a well plotted plot point, lol. It also didnt insult us a viewers and it wasnt a bigger retcon to a retcon. It also wasnt demeaning to women. It just worked. It brought the canvas together. It gave a character fans love a great storyline. It gave her a new love, a new view on life. The show as a whole was actually well done at that point. I cant pinpoint it, but it just worked. Its not working now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRBB Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 Hahahaha I was afraid you were going to say that! Ah, well, if I have to, I have to. Thanks! I hope they change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sapounopera Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 As a matter of fact I want triangles etc to last as long as possible. I want the show to commit to them for many years and always find new ways to keep them interesting. Lucas/Sami/Austin/Carrie and Billie/Bo/Hope were great soap stories, if someone likes the JERDAYS style. Brooke/Ridge/Taylor kept B&B interesting for at least ten years, while Lucas/Leslie/Lance/Lori (which I have never watched) also lasted several years. The problem with the Y&R Quad is that these four people don't belong in a romantic story. Jack was always like a father to Nick and all characters have been ruined in the process for several reasons. The Quad doesn't bring anything to any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRBB Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 Word, Amen, BAM!, and all that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brimike Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 Fair enough. I wasn't trying to prove anybody wrong or anything. Just genuinely curious to know people's responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 Okay, but here is a testament to the power of negative threads. I'm on the bus. I'm p!ssed off. I can't defend/rationalize another second. You all picked and picked at my defenses, and now they have crumbled. Adam-Rafe...what RUINATION yesterday was. No emotional resonance, and not even any skin! Mary Jane...now a child poisoner who will apparently frame the mother???? This is not the Patty I remember and love. And with no Williams in town who love her or interact with her...why should I care??. P3. Well...the jury is out, but phrases like "retcon of a retcon" are starting to make me feel very uncomfortable about this story. But I will have an open mind on this. The quad. Yes. Sharon-Jack NEVER had any romantic rooting value. And Sharon-Nick have been exposed as selfish and rooted in the past (much like Billy is with Mac). I loved Phick...truly...but it all seems like cinders now. So many characters I loved (Nikki-Paul, Lauren-Michael, JT) all withering on the vine. Now, I would have ignored these things forever...but you all keep putting them in my face. And now I'm angry with the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 Actually... I don't know whether your post shows quadrangles work or whether in the end they kill the show. I guess the keyword is: moderation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brimike Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 I can almost hear Alvin standing up and cheering right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted June 30, 2009 Members Share Posted June 30, 2009 I can do that for ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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