Yani looks so lost.

The scene with Rafe was just eye rolling. Ok, Rafe has been barely on this show. We know little about this character or actor for that matter. He has had a few scenes with Adam as his lawyer and a friend and all of a sudden he has feeling for Adam? Since when? These writers need to stop telling us and start showing us with the way the characters interact. They are getting off on the shock and and have little substance. And of course, using this story to get publicity with practically no set up.

I agree. I didn't mind MJ and thought the actress was doing a good job with the part. She is a genuine psycho with some vulnerability but why would the writers go over the line once again by having her eat a peanut butter cookie and giving a young child "a kiss of death" just to get her parents to interact and worry over their sick child. People flipped when Gloria threw a steak outside and let Fisher out of the house and yet the writers think viewers will just think it's fine that MJ is willing to kill a child to make her plans work. Even Sheila wasn't that bad and she was a pycho. And why is it so important to her that Phyllis and Nick get back together? Even if they did she would still have to deal with Jack being Sharon's soft place to land.

I think her plan was to try and get Nick and Phyllis back together and hope that Sharon's child would be Nick's as well, that way both would be fighting for him.

Sharon lying about the paternity wasn't something she thought was probable, proven by the end of today's Canadian episode when she's at the scene of the reveal. She looks PISSED! LOL

Edited June 26, 200916 yr by Amello

I agree. I didn't mind MJ and thought the actress was doing a good job with the part. She is a genuine psycho with some vulnerability but why would the writers go over the line once again by having her eat a peanut butter cookie and giving a young child "a kiss of death" just to get her parents to interact and worry over their sick child. People flipped when Gloria threw a steak outside and let Fisher out of the house and yet the writers think viewers will just think it's fine that MJ is willing to kill a child to make her plans work. Even Sheila wasn't that bad and she was a pycho. And why is it so important to her that Phyllis and Nick get back together? Even if they did she would still have to deal with Jack being Sharon's soft place to land.

Exactly! I don't get it.

This show is done purely for "shock" and "awe" moments these days, there's no substance to any of these storylines. It's pretty sad, and this is primarily why I do not enjoy this show anymore. They think they're being daring and gritty, but it comes off as desperate, hallow, and lacking in depth. It's one thing to do dark storylines, it's another thing thing to make them this one-note and outright ridiculous and irredeemable.

Edited June 26, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

The scene with Rafe was just eye rolling. Ok, Rafe has been barely on this show. We know little about this character or actor for that matter. He has had a few scenes with Adam as his lawyer and a friend and all of a sudden he has feeling for Adam? Since when? These writers need to stop telling us and start showing us with the way the characters interact. They are getting off on the shock and and have little substance. And of course, using this story to get publicity with practically no set up.

Sounds like Nuke to me..LOL. I wonder if Christopher Goutman was brought in as consultant...LOL

The scene with Rafe was just eye rolling. Ok, Rafe has been barely on this show. We know little about this character or actor for that matter. He has had a few scenes with Adam as his lawyer and a friend and all of a sudden he has feeling for Adam? Since when? These writers need to stop telling us and start showing us with the way the characters interact. They are getting off on the shock and and have little substance. And of course, using this story to get publicity with practically no set up.

Again, I agree. Rafe has feelings for Adam, huh?

And then he has sex with him?

Huh?

Again, I agree. Rafe has feelings for Adam, huh?

And then he has sex with him?

Huh?

I guess we will be "Huh?-ing" a lot in the near future.

I think her plan was to try and get Nick and Phyllis back together and hope that Sharon's child would be Nick's as well, that way both would be fighting for him.

Sharon lying about the paternity wasn't something she thought was probable, proven by the end of today's Canadian episode when she's at the scene of the reveal. She looks PISSED! LOL

But that makes little sense to harm Summer before MJ even knows the test results. For all she knows Jack may be the baby's father and by trying to move Nick from Sharon's orbit she is freeing Sharon up for Jack. MJ is a psycho but has also been written as smart and this is not smart. She knows how Jack feels about her at this point, knows how baby crazy Jack is and yet she views Phyllis as a bigger threat than Sharon who may be carrying Jack's child? I don't buy it. This was just a contrived way to prop the Phick/Shick story at the cost of MJ as a character.

Unless we are to infer that MJ tampered with the paternity results (how original) to make make Nick think he is the father. Still she knows Jack was willing to play the role of the father no matter whose child she was biologically. As far as she knows Phyllis and Jack just had a friends with benefits rendez vous while upset. Wouldn't a pregnant Sharon be a bigger threat?

Edited June 26, 200916 yr by lmfan

But that makes little sense to harm Summer before MJ even knows the test results. For all she knows Jack may be the baby's father and by trying to move Nick from Sharon's orbit she is freeing Sharon up for Jack. MJ is a psycho but has also been written as smart and this is not smart. She knows how Jack feels about her at this point, knows how baby crazy Jack is and yet she views Phyllis as a bigger threat than Sharon who may be carrying Jack's child? I don't buy it. This was just a contrived way to prop the Phick/Shick story at the cost of MJ as a character.

Hey, I don't buy it either. But I think that's what the writers want us to believe her motives are, no matter how contrived.

The scene with Rafe was just eye rolling. Ok, Rafe has been barely on this show. We know little about this character or actor for that matter. He has had a few scenes with Adam as his lawyer and a friend and all of a sudden he has feeling for Adam? Since when? These writers need to stop telling us and start showing us with the way the characters interact. They are getting off on the shock and and have little substance. And of course, using this story to get publicity with practically no set up.

Again, I agree. Rafe has feelings for Adam, huh?

And then he has sex with him?

Huh?

Yep!

This was just a contrived way to prop the Phick/Shick story at the cost of MJ as a character.

Exactly, Maria and company desperately want to prolong this ridiculous Quad and its ruining EVERYONE in the process. She needs to stop trying to pander to various fanbases in a single storyline. She's too afraid to anger one rabid fanbase for an extended period of time it seems. That's not the way you write a soap, Bill Bell always said he wrote the show he wanted to write, regardless of fan groups. The propping of this quad and the couples involved is eating this show and its various characters alive.

Sounds like Nuke to me..LOL. I wonder if Christopher Goutman was brought in as consultant...LOL

Even Nuke had more buildup than this, as rushed as they were. Viewers got to know about Noah and his background and most of his scenes were with Luke. Rafe gets a who-cares introduction scene with Colleen, then vanishes for long periods of time before he returns in time to look scared when Adam suddenly declares his feelings for him.

I hope this is going to end with Rafe manipulating Adam to find out the truth, and this isn't any actual relationship Rafe believes in, but even then, they aren't making any effort to actually show any type of relationship. Y&R has never actually said they would, but given all the hype this story got from before it even started, that the brilliant Y&R was going to show ATWT how it was done, was going to tell such a great gay story, and so on, it doesn't seem to have lived up to those expectations.

Hey, I don't buy it either. But I think that's what the writers want us to believe her motives are, no matter how contrived.

Yeah, you are probably right. The whole show is so contrived lately.

Exactly, Maria and company desperately want to prolong this ridiculous Quad and its ruining EVERYONE in the process.

Nicholas

Sharon

Jack

Noah

Doris

Mary Jane

Michael

Eden

Lauren

Victor

Nikki

Victoria

Mackenzie

Billy

Chloe

Phyllis

When will the destruction stop?

Edited June 26, 200916 yr by DeeeDee

This show is done purely for "shock" and "awe" moments these days, there's no substance to any of these storylines. It's pretty sad, and this is primarily why I do not enjoy this show anymore. They think they're being daring and gritty, but it comes off as desperate, hallow, and lacking in depth. It's one thing to do dark storylines, it's another thing thing to make them this one-note and outright ridiculous and irredeemable.

This is all shock value, but I also think, especially since Hogan has this problem at every soap he writes for, the show has no idea how viewers feel. I think they just see this all as crazy and fun, and assume viewers feel the same way. Like that tortured monologue from Adam which doesn't even make that much sense, and doesn't reflect most of Adam's character up to this point. I think that was stuck into the script because they realized many viewers don't get this storyline's motivations, and many people are put off by it. So, speaking through Adam, they say, "Well, this stuff was kind of bad, we know that, but we didn't really mean any harm." It's a last ditch attempt at some type of empathy which is never in any of the scripts.

So MJ is just some crazy woman we're supposed to be riveted by and not care about her actions, because the show doesn't care. Everything is contrivance to try to get people worked up.