so no deaths, lookalikes, dna, or pegnancies?

why dont we rule out secrets, lies, and affairs too?

Secrets and lies and even affairs are staples.

But deaths, dna, doppelgangers, and daddy-mysteries (the closest I could get to "pregnancies" while staying in the d-theme) have been overused.

There is just no need for more death on this show. It is not a crime soap. And DNA has been so overused, now we don't trust any of it. And doppelgangers is the flip side of death--they make this mistakes, and then they do pretzel twists to bring them back.

I'd just take a break from these, and see what they can produce without relying on these conventions.

Stephen Colletti of Laguna Beach and One Tree Hill fame.

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Secrets and lies and even affairs are staples.

But deaths, dna, doppelgangers, and daddy-mysteries (the closest I could get to "pregnancies" while staying in the d-theme) have been overused.

There is just no need for more death on this show. It is not a crime soap. And DNA has been so overused, now we don't trust any of it. And doppelgangers is the flip side of death--they make this mistakes, and then they do pretzel twists to bring them back.

I'd just take a break from these, and see what they can produce without relying on these conventions.

You may be in for a long wait. I don't think Y&R -- or any other soap, really -- is going to follow your recommendations. TPTB already feel constricted by the dictates of the genre as it is. Just churn it out and meet that deadline!

OT: Just realized that Mayim Bialik/Blossom also played the tween-Bette Midler character in "Beaches. Ohhh-woah-woah-woah. Did you ever know that you're my HE-RO?

I know one of them is AshBash. But who's the pretty boy (I was going to say "the gayface" but he doesn't, really. He's just pretty in that Zac Efron way)?

yes, its AshBash and StPHEEEEEN (as kristen would say) from laguna/oth.

Ashbash also looks cute there, a rare thing IMHO.

I'm wondering if the Heinle-Luckinbill marriage somehow killed their chances of a SL. Either together or apart.

If thats the case i feel its the show not doing it and not the couple not willing too.

OT: Just realized that Mayim Bialik/Blossom also played the tween-Bette Midler character in "Beaches. Ohhh-woah-woah-woah. Did you ever know that you're my HE-RO?

that was on tv the other day and i was all "Blossom?! And Bette?! WHAT" lol. great movie.

I love Sharon but I hate how her extreme skankiness is being brushed under the rug. She is the BIGGEST hot mess in daytime today. I really think the show should have more people call her out besides Phyllis. She makes Jack look pathetic going unphased by her f-cking every Dick, John and Harry and not even being a little upset wtih her

Honestly Sharon's been skanky but who's to judge her? Phyllis makes sense to me because ironically Phyllis has been a one woman man since Nick. But who-else is a non skank? Jack?

not after Phack sex and Mary Jane

Nick? Oh Please if anyone understands skankiness it's Nick. Billy? Billy would be going through his second wtd if he were a woman. I'm sure if Nikki were around she'd call her out being the big hypocrite she is

Honestly Sharon's been skanky but who's to judge her? Phyllis makes sense to me because ironically Phyllis has been a one woman man since Nick. But who-else is a non skank? Jack?

not after Phack sex and Mary Jane

Nick? Oh Please if anyone understands skankiness it's Nick. Billy? Billy would be going through his second wtd if he were a woman. I'm sure if Nikki were around she'd call her out being the big hypocrite she is

Well, all this skankiness REALLY undermines the characters. A LOT. Back in the day, they might pine for the one they didn't love...but they didn't periodically run out and f*ck 'em.

I'm slowly losing my rooting perspective for anyone in the quad (but especially Nick and Sharon now...but I suspect Jack and Phyllis in the near future too). And so if we're watching a "messed up love" quadrangle between four people we judge negatively -- not a single person to cheer for in the bunch -- what is the POINT?

You know when things are bad when CHLOE is the most innocent person in this mess. Gosh!

really, i hate sharon...

but she slept with three men in a week... whats the big deal? its not unheard of.

lol.

but she slept with three men in a week... whats the big deal? its not unheard of.

:lol:

but she slept with three men in a week... whats the big deal? its not unheard of.

lol.

Has it ever been done on daytime before? Two men, for sure. But THREE? I mean, I think Case broke the sex-with-different-partners rule on daytime.

Even back in the day, male hos like JR Ewing and Jack Abbott didn't sleep with that number of ladies in a week, did they?

Well, all this skankiness REALLY undermines the characters. A LOT. Back in the day, they might pine for the one they didn't love...but they didn't periodically run out and f*ck 'em.

I'm slowly losing my rooting perspective for anyone in the quad (but especially Nick and Sharon now...but I suspect Jack and Phyllis in the near future too). And so if we're watching a "messed up love" quadrangle between four people we judge negatively -- not a single person to cheer for in the bunch -- what is the POINT?

You know when things are bad when CHLOE is the most innocent person in this mess. Gosh!

There you go herein lies the end of this chapter. It is time to wrap it up and move on to the next chapter. Somebody needs to start growing up from within the quad I think this is somebody's rock bottom. I have been enjoying the story but now even I am like let's wrap it up. Phyllis needs to say "To hell with you Nick!" in those exact words or something. Let's start giving these character back a bit of power slowly too much misery, noone to root for at this point I am starting to lose any care I have for who ends up where move them all into the Abbott mansion or move it along.

There you go herein lies the end of this chapter. It is time to wrap it up and move on to the next chapter. Somebody needs to start growing up from within the quad I think this is somebody's rock bottom. I have been enjoying the story but now even I am like let's wrap it up. Phyllis needs to say "To hell with you Nick!" in those exact words or something. Let's start giving these character back a bit of power slowly too much misery, noone to root for at this point I am starting to lose any care I have for who ends up where move them all into the Abbott mansion or move it along.

Yup. Wrap it up. I'm TOTALLY feeling it.

I have loved Nick and Phyllis, and I will enjoy their window of time together...but I definitely want more for her now.

So, you know, maybe the intent of this story was to kill off the "Phick" adulation...and it needed to be done this way...so that fans could move on.

I don't know. But at this point, I'm REALLY waiting for Nick to strike out (one more f*ck with Sharon...it's GOTTA happen one of these days).

And then, in a beautifully comic scene, Phyllis can evict Gloria and Jeffrey from her penthouse. You already saw them set that one up this week .

On a more shallow note...

...does anyone else think that they have David Lago step on a platform or something, in order not to look shorter than Clementine Ford? (because I seem to remember he was quite short back in the day, and Clem looks definitely taller than any Brittany or Rianna)

I think David Lago is about 5'8. CF probably wore flats in their scenes. Anyway, who cares. They have CHEMISTRY!!! It's a miracle!

I think David Lago is about 5'8. CF probably wore flats in their scenes. Anyway, who cares. They have CHEMISTRY!!! It's a miracle!

:lol:

Yup. Wrap it up. I'm TOTALLY feeling it.

I have loved Nick and Phyllis, and I will enjoy their window of time together...but I definitely want more for her now.

So, you know, maybe the intent of this story was to kill off the "Phick" adulation...and it needed to be done this way...so that fans could move on.

I don't know. But at this point, I'm REALLY waiting for Nick to strike out (one more f*ck with Sharon...it's GOTTA happen one of these days).

And then, in a beautifully comic scene, Phyllis can evict Gloria and Jeffrey from her penthouse. You already saw them set that one up this week .

I guess if I really thought they were trying to just kill the Nick and Phyllis story, I'd say "okey dokey". But they must also be trying to kill the Shick love too because they're writing them as unlikeable as Phick.

Actually, the common factor in both of these is Nick so the real answer is probably that the show is trying to drive Nick into the ground. The only fans really enjoying Nick right now are the die-hard Shick fans who are glad that Nick is starting to swing Sharon's way or hate Phick or hate Phyllis so they're glad to see her suffer. But for the most part, Nick is far from a loveable character right now. At the heart of things, we are not really supposed to want him with either of these women. He has little to offer them in respect to emotional stability, something Sharon and Phyllis very much need.

Our wonderful writers have given themselves plenty of fodder for the next story beats of this story. I wish Camryn Grimes was getting royalties everytime they mention her character's name because she could pay her college tuition based on this story arc alone. Something tells me we are not done yet either.

When are we going to see MJ again? I miss her brand of crazy.

Speaking of crazy, count me in as a fan pulling for Adam to stick it to Victor and Jack through every unrealistic plot point of this gaslighting story. I love it. The worse he is, the more I like him. Perhaps, CE didn't really understand soaps. Because, if he did. He'd be eating this up instead of looking for another career.