Members MarkH Posted May 14, 2009 Members Share Posted May 14, 2009 Mac's been on for 3 days. And she has been VERY defended. So who knows what has been going on? Again, I'm willing to see how this plays out before I judge. Well, I agree with that part. But if you look at the ratings, she damn near killed the show. A huge rate of decline. (The only faster rate of decline was when MAB started, with JG). Yes, of course you're right. For me, the best recent romance was JT/Colleen (Luckinbill/Fonseca). I adored them. But I also liked Amber/Daniel...so I'm open to "non-traditional" romances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cashton Posted May 14, 2009 Members Share Posted May 14, 2009 Interesting points. I somewhat agree - the fairytale romances (Sabrina/Victor, Cane/Lily) seem to strike a bad chord in a lot of people. i liked/like both of the couples cause I like fairytales. Big "aww wouldn't that be wonderful" romances. They seem determined to kill any spark of trueness with Adam and Heather. There's no depth. On the other hand, i thoroughly enjoy Nikki and Victor. Cause even when they're apart - and I'm not saying they should be back together - there's always these glimmers of "Wow! They still love each other after everything that's happened". That's true, that's romantic in a real-world sort of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRBB Posted May 14, 2009 Members Share Posted May 14, 2009 But what do the ratings have to do with the quality of the show? Is that your reasoning for not liking the show since back then? You said it yourself, the show was good 3-4 years into Alden's run. When William Bell was writing, the show was in decline too, wasn't it? I seem to recall one of those charts that showed that, ever since 94 or so, the show was on steady decline. Plus, I am under the impression that daytime in general started getting huge ratings declines from 2000 on... I like both of those couples. But JT/Colleen have more heart and emotion than Amber/Daniel will ever have.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lmfan Posted May 14, 2009 Members Share Posted May 14, 2009 JT and Colleen were good but weren't the last well written romance. Have to step in for Michael and Lauren under Jack Smith before the Sheila return. They had a slow build, the hidden glances, subtle touches, flirting and they made sense that they would find each other at this point in their lives. That's when they were written fun, smart and sexy. Now they are only parental units to a family we never see and proppers of Gloria and Kevin when they are used and bot allowed to be romantic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted May 14, 2009 Members Share Posted May 14, 2009 Oh. CBS daytime as a whole has actually enjoyed linear ratings decline since the 1960s. My point about the ratings is that, though we agree that early Alden was good, the show was tanking ratings wise. (During that period, Y&R's decline was faster than it had been before or since, and exceeded the rate of decline of some other shows). So, no wonder there was interference that messed up her storytelling. And, yes, I very much miss JT/Colleen. I never understood why they brought in that record agent, broke up JT/Colleen, fired Fonseca...and that was it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lmfan Posted May 14, 2009 Members Share Posted May 14, 2009 I used to love Nikki and Victor, and I do see the connection but wonder about the love. They seem to have some co-dependency but the love is hard to see after Victor wished she was dead, treated Sabrina like the first time he found true love, and treated Nikki miserably these past couple years. I couldn't get past the way he looked at her with such disdain. In the past, when they were separated you still so the love, but not during this past break up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lmfan Posted May 14, 2009 Members Share Posted May 14, 2009 Fonseca would have left anyway, although wasn't her leaving blamed on some kind of miscommunication between the parties.. I liked Adrienne's Colleen but felt her Colleen strangely had more chemistry with Kevin than JT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted May 14, 2009 Members Share Posted May 14, 2009 I had no idea. I always thought she decided to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted May 14, 2009 Members Share Posted May 14, 2009 Jack hosed her the same way he did Camryn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRBB Posted May 14, 2009 Members Share Posted May 14, 2009 Hmmm, I wonder if the change of writers also affected the ratings? But, yeah, there were times when Alden's Y&R was very boring... especially the individual scripts, sometimes they were mind-numbingly boring (but that's not solely Alden's fault). I don't know what to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted May 14, 2009 Members Share Posted May 14, 2009 Well, they could be partly or even majorly her fault, since apparently, Alden never used a Script Editor and edited the scripts herself. I also know she edits scripts for B&B, and look how well the dialogue is on that show. Alden is not a storyteller, she just got lucky being Bill Bell's right hand woman for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted May 14, 2009 Members Share Posted May 14, 2009 Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRBB Posted May 14, 2009 Members Share Posted May 14, 2009 Well, I feel the scripts are always partly the HW's fault because, as HW, they should be in control of the overall quality. I had no idea that Alden edited the scripts by herself... It would explain why some of them, while good, turned out to be the way they did. Oh, I agree, she is not. I think she got lucky because she had inspiration for a few years, she came up with some great plots, and being next to Bell for decades taught her a lot of things about how to write a soap--at least, the technical parts. And it was a great few years. But it wasn't sustainable. She was lucky enough to sustain it for 3-4 years... MAB's already breaking down after a good October-March. And, even that was... ah, well, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members classicmoment Posted May 14, 2009 Members Share Posted May 14, 2009 I agree the love is sick. Honestly though it's not written as completly fairytale it's sad that I enjoy these two intensely fighting or very much genuinely loving. It's intense so I don't know i I wouldn't call that love, but it is so dysfunctional and many time backwards. I don't know if I always want them together but I definitly enjoy the drama of their connection/dynamic, kind of the way I see Nick/Sharon's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cara mia Posted May 14, 2009 Members Share Posted May 14, 2009 I honestly loved Daniel & Lily (both versions). The whole "love on the run" thing was adorable. I also love the dysfunctional insanity that is Victor & Nikki. Any romance can work for me as long as the actors have some chemistry and we understand the attraction. Family dynamics seem to take precedence over romance on Y&R and I like that. That's very true to life. Nick choosing to work at NE even though it hurts his marriage is an "anti-romance" move but it's a realistic move and makes me invest in Nick, and his troubled "romances", more than if Nick were written as this ideal romantic figure who always put his wife first. JT & LF's Colleen was amazing. They were one of the big hooks for me with YR. I don't think Joleen is the end game any more and it probably shouldn't be but I would like to see a revisit of the couple at some time. JT is sort of Paul Jr. now so I don't see him being complex or interesting enough for the diva Colleen is becoming but if he is the good guy she always turns to in tough times that would be neat. Are we still voting about the show? I honestly love it. I usually watch the episode I DVR the same day. I am on this board posting for goodness sake. If I didn't like it, I would find something else to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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