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A little while ago we were talking about the reuse of surnames for different unrelated characters. I notice that apparently the rich Uncle Kevin that David Thatcher smothered with a pillow had the surname Fowler which of course was also Sam's surname. 

I believe that Uncle Kevin was David's wife Jennifer's uncle rather than David's uncle and for some reason he intended to make Sally the trustee of Kevin's inheritance after Jennifer died.

Having Sam related to Uncle Kevin would not really have done much to enhance his storyline -- although I guess it could have added detail to Sam's dislike of rich people somehow. But David and Sally were dead and Kevin gone and none of that would have made the tension between Mac and Mitch's half brother any more intense.

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22 minutes ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

I remember not being particularly happy about it.  Although Rachel was still a sneaky bitch, her scenes in the courtroom were very troubling -- as Rachel slowly realized Gerald was not telling the truth on the witness stand and had gone over to Steve's side. Betrayed by the father that she knew never really loved her in the first place.  This was really the first time the audience truly felt sorry for Rachel.  I'd say Rachel's slow reformation began with those courtroom scenes.  But it still took a couple of years to be complete (if it ever really was complete).  

I think by the time she convinced the whole town to sing to a gorilla that her transformation was complete. 

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11 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

I think by the time she convinced the whole town to sing to a gorilla that her transformation was complete. 

I think I just threw-up a little in my mouth.  LOL.  

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5 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

True! It absolutely was nauseating. 

To harken back to my post of a few days ago about early characters existing in the same universe as later characters -- The Rachel in that courtroom in 1974 absolutely did not exist in the same universe as a man in a gorilla suit interrupting a wedding in 1999.  Absolutely not. 

33 minutes ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

To harken back to my post of a few days ago about early characters existing in the same universe as later characters -- The Rachel in that courtroom in 1974 absolutely did not exist in the same universe as a man in a gorilla suit interrupting a wedding in 1999.  Absolutely not. 

Cognitive dissonance? Broken teleporter? Diminishing ratings? Advertisers sell a bill of goods claiming one demo was a better customer than another?

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I know there were times that AW was said to be going through rough patches storyline/quality wise, but are there regimes you think are underrated and some that are overrated? 

I was not a fan of the Lisa/stalker storyline, but when I watch episodes from 1986 to spring of 1988, I'm immediately drawn in. I don't know if it's nostalgic factor or what's on the screen. I can see it's not perfect but there's so much potential that I watch even though I know what happens. 

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On 3/23/2024 at 9:00 PM, Contessa Donatella said:

Can't go. Would if I could. My god, that close! Can you talk it over with your guy? One person from my forum is going & one of my oldest friends online is going so I will get a great report after. Nadine Stenovitch has just popped up in my forum saying no one got in touch with her so I'm going to put her together with the woman who is doing this shindig. This won't happen again, this event, or one like it. This is it. 

I'm see if something can be done. You're right - an event like this probably won't happen again. And Alan Locher is probably doing a Q&A and can introduce me to some people privately. And it's just. So. Close. Thinking, thinking, thinking...

1 minute ago, adrnyc said:

I'm see if something can be done. You're right - an event like this probably won't happen again. And Alan Locher is probably doing a Q&A and can introduce me to some people privately. And it's just. So. Close. Thinking, thinking, thinking...

I knew that Alan was attending & I had urged Karen to see if he could do a zoom from there. Well, I'm sorry for your dilemma! 

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1 hour ago, chrisml said:

I know there were times that AW was said to be going through rough patches storyline/quality wise, but are there regimes you think are underrated and some that are overrated? 

I was not a fan of the Lisa/stalker storyline, but when I watch episodes from 1986 to spring of 1988, I'm immediately drawn in. I don't know if it's nostalgic factor or what's on the screen. I can see it's not perfect but there's so much potential that I watch even though I know what happens. 

After Harding Lemay left there were 3 writing regimes that I thought were underrated.

L. Virginia Browne: December 1980 - November 1981

Dorothy Ann Purser & Robert Soderberg: November 1982 - February 1984

Richard Culliton and Gary Tomlin: March 1984 - January 1985

16 minutes ago, Efulton said:

After Harding Lemay left there were 3 writing regimes that I thought were underrated.

L. Virginia Browne: December 1980 - November 1981

Dorothy Ann Purser & Robert Soderberg: November 1982 - February 1984

Richard Culliton and Gary Tomlin: March 1984 - January 1985

I'm going to tell you something that may change your mind about Gary Tomlin! It was him & Sam Radcliffe with their heads together who came up with Carolyn the gorilla! Obviously I'm mock serious, although it's true that they saddled us with that thing.

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30 minutes ago, Efulton said:

 Dorothy Ann Purser & Robert Soderberg: November 1982 - February 1984

Richard Culliton and Gary Tomlin: March 1984 - January 1985

Totally agree about them, but Executive Producer Allen Potter was there as well at this time.  Potter cleaned up the mess that Paul Rauch left rather quickly in 1983.

13 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

I'm going to tell you something that may change your mind about Gary Tomlin! It was him & Sam Radcliffe with their heads together who came up with Carolyn the gorilla! Obviously I'm mock serious, although it's true that they saddled us with that thing.

Yes they did come up with Carolyn the Gorilla in the summer of 1984, but it was this situation that first paired Felicia with Wallingford.  Wallingford was introduced as an informant for Cecile, Cass, and Felicia as they investigated David Thatcher’s murder.  I suspect TPTB thought it was cute to revisit Carolyn during the last week of the show as a salute to Cass and Felicia’s capers with Wallingford.  I didn’t mind it, but the time they wasted in the last episode could have gone to Rachel having some flashbacks of past characters in the final scene of the series.

3 minutes ago, watson71 said:

Yes they did come up with Carolyn the Gorilla in the summer of 1984, but it was this situation that first paired Felicia with Wallingford.  Wallingford was introduced as an informant for Cecile, Cass, and Felicia as they investigated David Thatcher’s murder.  I suspect TPTB thought it was cute to revisit Carolyn during the last week of the show as a salute to Cass and Felicia’s capers with Wallingford.  I didn’t mind it, but the time they wasted in the last episode could have gone to Rachel having some flashbacks of past characters in the final scene of the series.

I even liked a lot of the high-jinx. Felicia & Wally with her in the back of a truck, no brakes, barreling into Tall Boys, mostly slapstick but a favorite show, I can't help it. It's just Goutman bringing it back for the finale .I get the homage. Still ... 

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7 minutes ago, watson71 said:

Totally agree about them, but Executive Producer Allen Potter was there as well at this time.  Potter cleaned up the mess that Paul Rauch left rather quickly in 1983.

Yes they did come up with Carolyn the Gorilla in the summer of 1984, but it was this situation that first paired Felicia with Wallingford.  Wallingford was introduced as an informant for Cecile, Cass, and Felicia as they investigated David Thatcher’s murder.  I suspect TPTB thought it was cute to revisit Carolyn during the last week of the show as a salute to Cass and Felicia’s capers with Wallingford.  I didn’t mind it, but the time they wasted in the last episode could have gone to Rachel having some flashbacks of past characters in the final scene of the series.

Without a doubt Allen Potter was a significant part of the success of the period.  

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