2 minutes ago, j swift said:

I guess we are supposed to assume that Elliott was held prisoner in Vietnam after he left Bay City in 1974, and before the fall of Saigon in 1975?  Also, I assume that Dennis had no contact with Elliott between 1974 in Bay City and 1980 in Houston.

Elliot was held prisoner in Cambodia by the Khmers. On AW, they said that he died, but then he was revealed to be alive a year later on Texas.

4 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Elliot was held prisoner in Cambodia by the Khmers. On AW, they said that he died, but then he was revealed to be alive a year later on Texas.

There's not a lot of discussion about Dennis's inheritance from Mac (especially given the focus on Mac's will between Jamie and Sandy), do you think that was due to the fact that he it was assumed he would inherit the Carrington's family fortune?

Edited April 23, 20214 yr by j swift

1 minute ago, j swift said:

There's not a lot of discussion about Dennis's inheritance from Mac, do you think that was due to the fact that he it was assumed he would inherit the Carrington's family fortune?

Idk

 

I don't remember there being a Carrington family fortune by the time Texas debuted. I could be wrong though. But I do know that when Mac died, Dennis did receive an inheritance.

1 hour ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Idk

 

I don't remember there being a Carrington family fortune by the time Texas debuted. I could be wrong though. But I do know that when Mac died, Dennis did receive an inheritance.

 

I don't think it was ever established that Elliot Carrington was independently wealthy or came from a wealthy family. He was a hard working journalist who worked for the newspaper syndicate that Mac owned.  And Mac threatened to fire him, if he ever divorced Iris.  I always assumed that Elliot's wealth came from Iris.  So there probably was not a Carrington family fortune -- other than that which Iris provided.  And Iris's money had actually been part of the Cory family fortune -- or perhaps from her mother's family, who Mac mentioned had been wealthy.    

Edited April 23, 20214 yr by Neil Johnson

19 hours ago, Neil Johnson said:

I don't think it was ever established that Elliot Carrington was independently wealthy or came from a wealthy family. He was a hard working journalist who worked for the newspaper syndicate that Mac owned.

I beg to differ.  Although I tried hard to find the source and failed, my memory from reading Soap World was that the Carrington family owned the newspaper.  Arguably, by the time Eliot moved to Bay City he may have acquired his own source of wealth through the publication of his book.  However, I also have a vague recollection that Eliot's family owned the newspaper and that is why he was considered to be a viable match for Iris.

 

However, my initial point was that around the introduction of Blaine there was a lot of chatter about Mac's will.  Brian wants Iris disinherited before their marriage.  Mac offers to care for Jamie in his will, setting up the eventual struggle between Jamie and Sandy (I guess Alice's mishandling of Frame Construction voided Jamie's inheritance from that company).  Also, Rachel expresses concern about Matthew being in the will.  However, nobody seems to mention Dennis's rights of inheritance. 

 

Speaking of Blaine and her family, I read some gossip that Rick Porter (Larry Ewing) and Gail Browne (Clarice) clashed backstage.  On the Soaps of Yesterday Tumblr there are stories of Rick's side hustles, such as selling adult novelties, but no mention of their relationship...  (On a side note, it always makes me laugh to think about actors like Rick Porter, or OLTL Jeremy Slate (Chuck Wilson), or GL's Larry Gates (HB Lewis) living in New York while having to maintain the look and accent of cowboys from the ol' west.)

 

I was also reading the AWHP summaries of Eliot's introduction and there was an interesting tidbit that Eliot ordered Louise to supervise Iris's visits with Dennis because her negligence almost led to Dennis being kidnapped.  First,  I think the Dennis/Iris dynamic was so inventive for the times.  The contrast between Rachel/Jamie and Iris/Dennis was unique, and Iris's reaction to Dennis's rejection of her interestingly informed their dynamic throughout his development.  Second, I find it amusing that kidnapping was in the news so much in the early 70's that it was a thread through so many soap stories.  I'm sure it was inspired by the publication and TV movie of Anne Lindbergh's diaries about her baby's kidnapping, the Chowchilla Busnapping, and of course, later the character of Kit owed many plot points to the Patty Hearst story.

 

It would be interesting to track how many plots were influenced by news stories of the time.  Obviously, Iris's bugging of Eliot's suite happening at the same time as the Watergate hearings comes to mind, but I wonder if anyone can recall other plots that were lifted from current events?

Edited April 24, 20214 yr by j swift

3 hours ago, j swift said:

I beg to differ.  Although I tried hard to find the source and failed, my memory from reading Soap World was that the Carrington family owned the newspaper.  Arguably, by the time Eliot moved to Bay City he may have acquired his own source of wealth through the publication of his book.  However, I also have a vague recollection that Eliot's family owned the newspaper and that is why he was considered to be a viable match for Iris.

 

I don't mean to argue, but Mac definitely owned the newspapers for which Elliot wrote. There was a specific plot point when it was revealed the real reason Elliot had never divorced Iris, despite their long separation, was that Mac had threatened to fire Elliot and black-ball him to the rest of the industry, if Elliot divorced Iris.  This was explained in a scene between Elliot and Mac when Robert Emhardt was playing Mac and Mac was more of a ruthless businessman than he was later.   I specifically remember this.  Also, I'm not suggesting Elliot came from poverty, but just saying his background was left vague. And it was not established that he came from wealth.  He may have, but it was just never mentioned.   

4 hours ago, j swift said:

It would be interesting to track how many plots were influenced by news stories of the time.  Obviously, Iris's bugging of Eliot's suite happening at the same time as the Watergate hearings comes to mind, but I wonder if anyone can recall other plots that were lifted from current events?

Lemay swore up and down that he wasn't inspired by Watergate and it was just a coincidence that the storyline took place at the same time. Regardless, it did give AW stronger ratings.

Courtesy of Eddie Drueding on YT - The promo for the first ongoing 60 minute episode of Another World from 1975. 

 

Edited April 29, 20214 yr by Forever8

On 4/24/2021 at 10:10 AM, j swift said:

It would be interesting to track how many plots were influenced by news stories of the time. 

Not a headline per se, but Sandy's prostitution story is straight of out of American Gigolo, including the female pimp and the associated murder story.

 

American Gigolo was released 2/1/1980 and Sandy came to Bay City 1/19/81, so the connection is contemporary.

 

BTW I just learned from AWHP that his name before Bay City was Alexander Sanderson, so his nickname could have been Sandy Sandy (lol)

Edited April 30, 20214 yr by j swift

 

 

 

Edited May 4, 20214 yr by DRW50

4 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

 

 

Everyone today is talking about Star Wars, but me, I'm talking about Another World 😂😂😂

9 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Everyone today is talking about Star Wars, but me, I'm talking about Another World 😂😂😂

 

Personally I think we're in better company.

 

Seeing this stuff made me emotional, I have to admit - what an exquisite and truly unique show this was and could have remained (and, compared to some other soaps, did manage to maintain some fragment of itself to the end). I will always be sorry that so many of its best times were junked by NBC and will likely never be seen again.

5 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I will always be sorry that so many of its best times were junked by NBC and will likely never be seen again.

I'll never understand how execs. at that time actually thought that no one would ever want to see old episodes again and got rid of them. Not even just with soaps, but game shows and primetime shows as well.

1 minute ago, AbcNbc247 said:

I'll never understand how execs. at that time actually thought that no one would ever want to see old episodes again and got rid of them. Not even just with soaps, but game shows and primetime shows as well.

 

The story of the DuMont lineup being thrown in the river makes me angry even thinking about it. I just perennially hope for something, anything, of an old soap to show up.

1 minute ago, DRW50 said:

 

The story of the DuMont lineup being thrown in the river makes me angry even thinking about it. I just perennially hope for something, anything, of an old soap to show up.

I heard that story. Some of the tapes might even still be down there lol.

 

I'm sure there are kinescopes somewhere out there that managed to survive being wiped. With any luck, someone will find some more pre-1979 AW episodes and post them.