I like to watch Chloe, but I feel nothing for her. She needs some bad things...to really suffer...and then she can become a person of character.

yet you root for Gloria?

I just had a crazy thought about the person that is messing with Ashley and Victor.....

It is someone that was also present at the ranch various times, someone that isn't exactly Victor's fan, someone pretty cold and revengeful. What if it's..... Heather? When she told Nick and Sharon "You people are going to get what's coming to you," I just had this thought that it could be her. Planting Sabrina's dress that she wore on the night she was murdered and the earrings that Victor gave to that Mexican girl was something that she could have known (from the autopsy reports) plus she hates Victor enough to mess with him, or maybe even end up framing him. The fact that she is mostly always so cold and unfriendly could mean that she has various issues.

Still, it's just another speculation from my part. I haven't given it enough thought to think it through, but it's one of the possibilities, right?

That would be amazing.

never gonna happen tho, IMHO.

really? Thats what I get for FF through all those chipmunk scenes. He got cleared of everything? He's no longer crazy?

Yeah.... that entire storyline was awful and rushed.

I loved Cane calling Billy out on his self-absorption. There is no reason for Billy for be whining and complaining. He should leave Chloe if he is that unhappy.

Again.. the Billy has to marry Chloe thing was so.. random. An obvious plot point and a stupid one that isnt working. IMHO...

Anyone else sick of seeing Jill and her never ending pity party? She is so much better than this and she is coming across very pathetic playing the victim. She really needs to STFU already, pick herself up and take control of her life instead of going around town whining and complaining, especially no one is causing her any pain right now except herself

Jill is pathetic and has been for a very long time.

Too bad the show isn't that great to warrant such a lengthy thread.

Too bad 90% of the posts had nothing to do with the show. AT ALL.

At first I thought it was ColtinStevenScottMartinez or whatever the hell he's calling himself these days. But it wasn't. Not sure who it was.

LOLZ!

I think Mary Jane could be a dude.

I think shes Bradsicle... he thawed out, a double was put in his place, Victor paid for his sex change....

The ZenDULL fans did call Haiduk's character on AMC "Mannah."

I dont know why SH is a beautiful women. Maybe not a classic image of what one might think of, but shes from Chyna Doll looking like a dude.

That fanbase... ugh.

And no, we're not going to daily threads for Y&R!

Well if 90% of the disucssion has nothing to do with the show i would prefer it.

Well since Y&R went gay, maybe they're going transgendered too!

Us Southerners will go bonkers since we can barely handle a gay man as it is being on our soap not to mention a trans...what now?!

You mean where she battles a kangaroo for control of her sanity?

:lol: And she is sent to the looney bin to stay for a very long while.

Edited May 5, 200916 yr by Heyou

Holy crap! Are you guys trying to beat OLTL's 1000+ posts for a weekly thread or something? LOL

And no, we're not going to daily threads for Y&R!

OMG! Another shock after waking up... there's no way I'll read all of those posts.

Can people please stop bitching about how long this thread is? smile.gif

Seriously, one makes the choice to either go through it all, or not.

Yes, but I choose to go through the thread in order to read people's opinions about what is actually happening on Y&R. All of these fantasy and off topic posts make that a lot harder and a hell of a lot more annoying to try to do. I'd love it if there were 19 pages about what is happening on Y&R (or even realistic hopes people have), but when 10 of those pages are silly fanfic, I think I have the right to bitch about that. Just as people have the right to continue on with it, since Toups has not stepped in to stop it.

So,Nikki caught the bouquet.Maybe her dress needed a little more floral.

Please,please do not marry Nikki and Paul.The last thing either of them need is another marriage under their belt.

As I have said before,Nikki/Paul has been a complete letdown.There has been no fallout-her children,Katherine,Heather haven't said a word.Victor has had no reaction-in fact he was never told they were an item.Despite his coldness towards Nikki these days.I'm sure he would have had something to say.

What could have been an interesting story has amounted to nothing.Why bother with it in the first place?

I have noticed a lack of story crossover.Neil had no involvement with Cane/Lily.Nikki seems pretty much in the dark re Nick/Sharon/Phyllis.Lily is untouched by her father's marriage breakdown etc

Some major story beats and angles are being missed.

yet you root for Gloria?

Though she is self-involved, when Gloria expresses her pain...she really does so authentically. I remember a scene where Jeff was just NASTY...nasty...divorcing her, taking her money (I think this was last Fall/Dec). And Gloria just broke down in wracking sobs.

And even though she reaps what she sows...I just felt for her so much. Chapman lets the inner damage and pain shine through.

For Chloe, it has all been flip. So far, she's TALKED about hurt and resentment...but she's never shown it. Moreover, with a cutie pie like Esther as her mom, it's hard to buy. Don't get me wrong, I like Hendrickson and she's funny...but I FEEL nothing for her. Except, briefly, during that act of tenderness toward Billy, when she picked him up after Mac's slap and took him home. And even there, of course, there was a self-serving element of claiming her man.

Please,please do not marry Nikki and Paul.The last thing either of them need is another marriage under their belt.

As I have said before,Nikki/Paul has been a complete letdown.There has been no fallout-her children,Katherine,Heather haven't said a word.Victor has had no reaction-in fact he was never told they were an item.Despite his coldness towards Nikki these days.I'm sure he would have had something to say.

What could have been an interesting story has amounted to nothing.Why bother with it in the first place?

I'm also disappointed. I'm assuming they're working both of them to their guarantees, to save money? Clearly, the canvas has been full. I guess they can "catch" up in the space before the wedding and after? Build some depth to that relationship?

If they marry, let's face it, it is doomed. We're supposed to believe that Christine is Paul's soul mate (wrong, wrong wrong--Christine is Danny's soul mate...but that's for another day), and that Victor is Nikki's soul mate. But they still need to make these mistakes (marry the wrong person)...as obstacles to the eventual reunion.

That said, I think for Nikki and Paul it can still be sparkling. They just have to invest. If it were me, I'd throw in some stories of youthful exploits they did together...maybe even with flashbacks. Like when they went skinny dipping at a closed public pool and got "caught" by the men's polo team. (That was a rare location shoot for the show). Or when Paul was there for her, after Nikki killed her father. Or when they joined the cult together. If they'd show some of this...build up the history...we could understand the present more. Also, Doug Davidson is a funny, quippy, silly guy. Paul is not. But what if they let Paul be funny and quippy when he alone with Nikki. So we can understand that they bring out the laughter and "young-at-heart" in each other.

It would not take hours of screen time. A few throwaway scenes here and there, so we can better understand the attraction.

I have noticed a lack of story crossover.Neil had no involvement with Cane/Lily.Nikki seems pretty much in the dark re Nick/Sharon/Phyllis.Lily is untouched by her father's marriage breakdown etc

Some major story beats and angles are being missed.

Very, very good point. I'll bet they "modularized" the shooting, so that everyone didn't have to stay all day. But, as you note, that impoverished this episode. Several people said it felt "flat", and I agree. This was a SEMINAL event...and it should have had the resonance of Kay's funeral.

Little face shots...for example, when Lily wondered what Jill would do at HER wedding, Neil should have had a reaction shot and Cane should too. So, too, a momentary wistful glance between Daniel and Lily (who were once married) would have been nice. Or Neil...didn't he once marry in the Chancellor house? (I know his last marriage was in Japan, but wasn't the first one to Dru in Kay's house? Am I confabulating?). All these little bits might have stretched the episode (i.e., maybe the wedding and aftermath would have run into Tuesday), but it would have been so worth it.

All of the above is accurate. You know, brimike, if you're interested in an accurate history, you really should invest in the Cassata/Irwin books (cheaply available from Amazon and elsewhere). They are definitive.

I have the book, Mark. They're all just locked up in the other room with a sleeping boy when I was typing that last night. And I couldn't get to them. LOL!

Though she is self-involved, when Gloria expresses her pain...she really does so authentically. I remember a scene where Jeff was just NASTY...nasty...divorcing her, taking her money (I think this was last Fall/Dec). And Gloria just broke down in wracking sobs.

And even though she reaps what she sows...I just felt for her so much. Chapman lets the inner damage and pain shine through.

Wow! I don't know which actress could ever get me to feel for Gloria! The character is a despicable excuse for any human. I just know she'll be hinting at her tricks again in the next week after any remorseful 'act'. The thing is most of the characters have the same drives. They do the same things and expect different results (even some of my faves), but yet and still with the character of Gloria she is just that bad I never feel her pain and I think JC does as good a job as any good actress could in this role, even with her over the top performances I get why alot of those acting choices are made for the character; the character would probably be worse if she was potrayed more subtle with the same writing.

For Chloe, it has all been flip. So far, she's TALKED about hurt and resentment...but she's never shown it. Moreover, with a cutie pie like Esther as her mom, it's hard to buy. Don't get me wrong, I like Hendrickson and she's funny...but I FEEL nothing for her. Except, briefly, during that act of tenderness toward Billy, when she picked him up after Mac's slap and took him home. And even there, of course, there was a self-serving element of claiming her man.

Chloe is guarded, her defense mechanisms are her sarcasm and her wit. I agree that the character has not shown full vulnerability but I buy that that the background of the character can be that over time she had the desire to change who she was or how she thought herself to be perceived. She has a vision of who she wants to be and it's a way to change her own identity. The show still has to characterize Chloe some more to me though she's been on quite alot the character is still not fleshed out, there are so many beats to play with her story. I see a cross between Phyllis and Jill in her thus far, her relationship dynamics with long term character is something the writers should not take for granted

I agree with everyone, the Katherine wedding was o.k. But maybe they meant to play the event relatively simplistic.

There are two more weddings to go

I agree with everyone, the Katherine wedding was o.k. But maybe they meant to play the event relatively simplistic.

There are two more weddings to go

Let's hope the

next one is even more simplistic. Or what the heck, just let them do it off screen.

Wow! I don't know which actress could ever get me to feel for Gloria! The character is a despicable excuse for any human. I just know she'll be hinting at her tricks again in the next week after any remorseful 'act'. The thing is most of the characters have the same drives. They do the same things and expect different results (even some of my faves), but yet and still with the character of Gloria she is just that bad I never feel her pain and I think JC does as good a job as any good actress could in this role, even with her over the top performances I get why alot of those acting choices are made for the character; the character would probably be worse if she was potrayed more subtle with the same writing.

I had new insight into Gloria this weekend. I saw that movie with Judy Davis and Jonathan Jackson, A Little Thing Called Murder. It is a dramatization of the Sante and Kenny Kimes story. To make a long story short, Sante totally "owned" her son Kenny's psyche, and used him as her henchman in a string of con jobs and murders.

Kenny was attractive and smart...but he was totally enraptured by his mama. Even as he was doing evil, he believed his mother loved him and that she was the most wonderful woman in the world. So, too, Sante -- wholly opportunistic and vicious -- one never knew if she really loved her son...but she just seduced him with her personality.

Not only do I believe the tale has direct resonance for the Fisher-Baldwins. (Indeed, Kenny has older sibs who escaped Sante's clutches). But there was a line about Sante at the end, something to the effect of "When my mother was in the room, you forgot all the other people who were there".

That is Gloria. She's evil and twisted. I'm with you. I get it. I'm deluded. But what I love about Chapman's portrayal is that she embraces that. And, like Sante, she works her wiles on ANYONE to get her way. And because she is so dramatic and compelling and beautiful and she shows real emotion (even if it is a self-serving act), you cannot help but fall into her web.

I also liked Silence of the Lambs. I didn't like Hannibal Lecter, but I couldn't take my eyes off him--or Anthony Hopkins' portrayal of him. That's the kind of love and admiration I have for Gloria. A fearless portrayal of the worst kind of evil. Like the "Great Tempter" himself, the evil is so compelling because it is so wrapped up in such a pretty package.

Not everyone on soaps has to be moral, good, right. And not everyone on soaps has to get their "just rewards" in a trash compactor. This really quite brave portrayal (by the show and the actress) of mundane evil is really quite spectacular.

What makes it even better is that, if you were to ask Gloria, she'd tell you she loves her sons. And she BELIEVES it too. She doesn't realize that what she does to them, day after day, is the opposite of love. So, that incredible capacity for self-delusion is also compelling to me.

I have the book, Mark. They're all just locked up in the other room with a sleeping boy when I was typing that last night. And I couldn't get to them. LOL!

I'm sorry, I'm an idiot. I didn't mean to come across as a know-it-all. I just didn't know if you were aware of that book.

Catching the wedding episode now. Katherine and Murphy are a perfect match - I love them together! They feel so natural together on-screen. That being said, how could Murphy be cast so perfect and Mac not????? I really ain't feelin her AT ALL. I want to, but she brings absolutely nothing to the role IMO. Dull as dishwater.

And I really can't blame Jill for hookin up with the hot bartender dude. OMG how smokin was he? And JW played the seductress very well.

Other than that, I thought it was OK. Not the worst, not the best but somewhere in the middle.

I had new insight into Gloria this weekend. I saw that movie with Judy Davis and Jonathan Jackson, A Little Thing Called Murder. It is a dramatization of the Sante and Kenny Kimes story. To make a long story short, Sante totally "owned" her son Kenny's psyche, and used him as her henchman in a string of con jobs and murders.

Kenny was attractive and smart...but he was totally enraptured by his mama. Even as he was doing evil, he believed his mother loved him and that she was the most wonderful woman in the world. So, too, Sante -- wholly opportunistic and vicious -- one never knew if she really loved her son...but she just seduced him with her personality.

Not only do I believe the tale has direct resonance for the Fisher-Baldwins. (Indeed, Kenny has older sibs who escaped Sante's clutches). But there was a line about Sante at the end, something to the effect of "When my mother was in the room, you forgot all the other people who were there".

That is Gloria. She's evil and twisted. I'm with you. I get it. I'm deluded. But what I love about Chapman's portrayal is that she embraces that. And, like Sante, she works her wiles on ANYONE to get her way. And because she is so dramatic and compelling and beautiful and she shows real emotion (even if it is a self-serving act), you cannot help but fall into her web.

I also liked Silence of the Lambs. I didn't like Hannibal Lecter, but I couldn't take my eyes off him--or Anthony Hopkins' portrayal of him. That's the kind of love and admiration I have for Gloria. A fearless portrayal of the worst kind of evil. Like the "Great Tempter" himself, the evil is so compelling because it is so wrapped up in such a pretty package.

Not everyone on soaps has to be moral, good, right. And not everyone on soaps has to get their "just rewards" in a trash compactor. This really quite brave portrayal (by the show and the actress) of mundane evil is really quite spectacular.

What makes it even better is that, if you were to ask Gloria, she'd tell you she loves her sons. And she BELIEVES it too. She doesn't realize that what she does to them, day after day, is the opposite of love. So, that incredible capacity for self-delusion is also compelling to me.

I will definitly watch the movie with JJ, never seen it.

I guess that's another perspective of Gloria's character. I certainly agree about JuChap's potrayal of her I think she does a great job. She totally embraces Gloria's evil, what she does is she makes the character fun in a dramatic way with her campiness. I totally see why she does it but I loaaaaathe loaathe Gloria lol.

I'm sorry, I'm an idiot. I didn't mean to come across as a know-it-all. I just didn't know if you were aware of that book.

LOL! You didn't come across like a know-it-all at all! No worries! Sorry if my reply came across snappy. Wasn't meant that way.

Every time I come in here somebody is apologizing for something. LoL!