I don't think he needs to be human at all. He's already been human. We've seen him love Heather. We've seen him attempt to be Victor's son. We've seen him fall on his face and fail. We've seen him be deceived by Jack as if he were a fly Jack pulled the wings off of.

He's human and pathetic.

Now he has to pay back all the people who've wronged him.

And, unfortunately for Heather, she was one of them.

That's why it'd be perfect for him to go after Ashley because she's connected to both Victor and Jack. Killing two birds with one blonde (with a bad haircut) stone.

Hmmmmm. Thanks for giving me something to think about. Good points all.

I wonder how Rafe will play into this, though. If Adam was gay this whole time, I'd just this show. Kansas boy on the DL??!?!? Priceless.

Oh snap. Yes, I like it! I like it ALOT!

Fourteen pages? FOURTEEN PAGES?! I'm not even gonna attempt to read all of this.

Fourteen pages? FOURTEEN PAGES?! I'm not even gonna attempt to read all of this.

Neither did I after I woke up on two occasions and found 5 new pages.

Hmmmmm. Thanks for giving me something to think about. Good points all.

Oh snap. Yes, I like it! I like it ALOT!

Oh snap!

We're halfway to 1,000 and it's Tuesday. We're definitely beating OLTL.

Because, who else on this show gets that much pimp-age?!

FYI: You are not the only post-er here with an expensive college education, so stop acting like it.

What is the matter with pimp-age? I don't really have a problem with a "more frontburner" character.

And now I guess I have to apologize...but I wasn't trying to be "showy". I don't know how else to convey that whole idea of "if you can't feed your mouth...you don't have energy to devote to becoming a decent person". Even that is an oversimplification. I cited Maslow because [ a ] I figured most of you saw it in Psych 101, and [ b ] the rest could google it. He said it WAY better than I ever could.

But I wasn't meaning to ... well ... channel another poster who uses a lot of big words and theories. So, for that I apologize.

And if MarkH makes one more condescending remark? You just might get your wish.

See, my intent really went awry there. Because there was ZERO condescension intended. I apologize if that is what came across.

It's ALWAYS the same with her, right?

First scheme done: a couple of people hurt, no emotions from Gloria

Second scheme done: more people hurt, no emotions from Gloria

Third scheme done: I've lost count, Gloria tries to show emotion

After finally showing emotion, she's back to schemes no. 4,5,6,7....

After done with that, she ends up in jail and we think she's going to be better or at least written out.... but no, she's back with a new scheme...

So it's exactly like Y&RWorldTurner said.... one-note, predictable, boring and stupid for going into the same thing over and over again.

And is there a character on this show who ISN'T circular like that? Nikki? Victor? Ashley? Jack? Nick? Sharon? and on and on. Now Billy and Chloe seem to be in the merry-go-round too. I truly don't see Glo as "especially repetitive". That's the whole show.

Indeed it links to a thread from last week. Characters on Y&R often don't show a lot of growth...they repeat the same patterns over and over again.

Judith Chapman needs to become BFF's with John Waters. She'd totally fit be great in any of his films...

I'd agree with that, I guess. But again, why is that a problem? Why isn't that a "unique spice" that she brings to the stew-that-is-Y&R. (Note...I wanted to say "melange that is Y&R"...but I thought Khan might slam me for being elitist. Now I'm suddenly struggling with my vocabulary. Did you really mean for me to become self-conscious about my words??).

I think the problem I have with it is that after Ashley got Victor to reliquish some of that bitterness he had towards Adam, and how kindly she treated Adam after he arrived on the ranch, now he could be [!@#$%^&*] around with her, and she being pregnant no less. That and playing on Heather's feelings for him just seem a bit cruel to me. I could probably see him wanting to get back at Heather, but WTF has Ashley done to him? I have no problem with Adam being a villain, but this, it just seems a bit too far for me.

However knowing that he has yet to realize that what he did to Victor was wrong, maybe it would make sense?

Perfectly stated! Ashley is the one who was NICE to him. Why would he harm her?

Perfectly stated! Ashley is the one who was NICE to him. Why would he harm her?

Because he has to be as ruthless as the people who hurt him to get what he wants. Of course he didn't expect Ashley to be nice to him. Everyone in Victor/Jack/Heather's orbit is mean to him, why wouldn't Ashley be as well?

This may complicate things in the end, as it should on a good soap, but Adam won't let it deter him from getting his revenge on these people.

And we might like Heather, I personally do, too (somewhat). But Adam has every right to go after her. She put justice over her love for him. How could he just accept that? He's totally gotta get her back.

So, unlike everyone this board, it seems, I totally hope it's Adam.

Edited May 5, 200916 yr by rhythmchyc

I'd be all for it if I knew for sure he wouldn't be written out. Adam needs to stay, permanently.

I'd be all for it if I knew for sure he wouldn't be written out. Adam needs to stay, permanently.

He went after Victor, got convicted, then got out of jail.

This could totally happen again.

When Chris first joined the show, he wasn't as integral to the show as he is now, I think. If he was gonna be written out, it would've occurred when he was arrested.

Yes, people. Posters want to discuss Y&R. Get over it!

Edited May 5, 200916 yr by YRBB

I don't think he needs to be human at all. He's already been human. We've seen him love Heather. We've seen him attempt to be Victor's son. We've seen him fall on his face and fail. We've seen him be deceived by Jack as if he were a fly Jack pulled the wings off of.

He's human and pathetic.

Now he has to pay back all the people who've wronged him.

And, unfortunately for Heather, she was one of them.

That's why it'd be perfect for him to go after Ashley because she's connected to both Victor and Jack. Killing two birds with one blonde (with a bad haircut) stone.

If they were going to go this way with Adam then they probably should have just had him try to kill Ashley. The gaslighting and possible threat to her unborn child is been there, done that. Ashley's gone through mental breakdowns three or four times and is still standing. She's lost babies and is still there. Victor only needed a few months of pouting over losing Sabrina and their unborn child before he was bedding Ashley and planning his new happy family. He'll probably discard Ashley and find a new model, or go back to Nikki. I'm sure Jack will feel sad for Ashley, but he's gone through all this before with her, he will already have plenty on his plate with "Mary Jane" and when he finds out Sharon is pregnant, he might be the father, and Billy has slept with Sharon and might be the father.

The story has no real payoff if the focus is only on poor Ashley and her child, at least not if it involves Adam trying to scheme. It doesn't help that we know Victor will win in the end, because Victor always wins, so Adam is more of a gnat than a villain.

Edited May 5, 200916 yr by CarlD2

I don't know how else to convey that whole idea of "if you can't feed your mouth...you don't have energy to devote to becoming a decent person".

I think you did just fine there.

Did you really mean for me to become self-conscious about my words??

Of course not! If it's natural for you to cite Maslow, or compare Y&R to a "symphony" or "melange", then do so, and to your heart's content. Don't do it, though, just to show everyone else how "edumacated" you are, or to create the impression that you are the Frasier Crane of Soap Opera Network.

Ashley is the one who was NICE to him. Why would he harm her?

Because, to a cold-hearted, opportunistic sort like Adam, Ashley, no matter how sympathetic she has been toward him, is another chess piece to him.

I don't see anything wrong with Adam being the calculating type, but I'm afraid the show hasn't done a good job of showing the vulnerability underneath all that (and no, just knowing he resents Victor for not being there for him and Hope is not enough). Even Victor has a fraility or two which we are allowed to see in his quieter, more solitary moments.

Edited May 5, 200916 yr by Khan

Of course not! If it's natural for you to cite Maslow, or compare Y&R to a "symphony" or "melange", then do so, and to your heart's content. Don't do it, though, just to show everyone else how "edumacated" you are, or to create the impression that you are the Frasier Crane of Soap Opera Network.

Wow, I can think of about twenty other posters I'd say this about before I'd EVER say it about Mark.

Totally OT, but: Frasier

Wow, I can think of about twenty other posters I'd say this about before I'd EVER say it about Mark.

That's because you, brimike, never met a post-er you didn't like.

Hmmmmm. Thanks for giving me something to think about. Good points all.

Plus, Adam's

doing something disturbing this Friday.