Well

tomorrow's US show confirms it for me, when Paul meets MJ

OH SH**! Really???? That's what I've been waiting for!

I wish there was a thread for "Who Do YOu Think Mary Jane Is?" I'd be all over it!

Honestly, I'm leery of Mary Jane. Don't "Star Trek" fans usually warn that a "Mary Jane" is a sort of surrogate for the writer?

This, too, is a stretch, but...

If you recall, Jack's mother, and John's first wife, Dina, ran off years ago with another man to Paris; and the Abbott clan saw neither hair nor hide of her until they found out she, as CEO of her late second husband's company, was behind a takeover attempt at Jabot.

I think it's absolutely possible that Dina was pregnant again by John when she left, and that Mary Jane is her and John's daughter. (Ashley, you'll remember, is not John's daughter, but Brent Davis'.)

That would make her (Mary Jane) related not just to Jack, Ashley, Billy, and Traci, but to Colleen, Abby, Keemo, and Kyle; and, perhaps more importantly, another claimant to the Abbott family empire.

Incest is not best! But you get high grades on creativity! I thought for a moment that it could be Grace Turner, but she was never in the Abbott orbit.

This, too, is a stretch, but...

If you recall, Jack's mother, and John's first wife, Dina, ran off years ago with another man to Paris; and the Abbott clan saw neither hair nor hide of her until they found out she, as CEO of her late second husband's company, was behind a takeover attempt at Jabot.

I think it's absolutely possible that Dina was pregnant again by John when she left, and that Mary Jane is her and John's daughter. (Ashley, you'll remember, is not John's daughter, but Brent Davis'.)

That would make her (Mary Jane) related not just to Jack, Ashley, Billy, and Traci, but to Colleen, Abby, Keemo, and Kyle; and, perhaps more importantly, another claimant to the Abbott family empire.

Only problem is that Mary Jane just f*cked Jack yesterday. The Bells would not allow Passions style bro-sis incest.

Incest is not best!

Has MJ slept with Jack already? Sheesh. Nice goin', Y&R.

Okay, maybe she is Patty, which doesn't work, IMO. It presumes Patty never made peace with anything Jack did; that that last year or so in GC when she dated Danny and began putting the pieces of her life back together didn't happen...

And once again, I wish MAB weren't writing this damn show.

Edited May 1, 200916 yr by Khan

Has MJ slept with Jack already? Sheesh. Nice goin', Y&R.

Yep - they did the nasty. And during their "afterglow", MJ nailed Jack (again) by revealing she's not married. And Stacy gave one of the best evil cackles i've heard in a long time on soaps.

I've said it before, but irregardless of who she is, SH is so damn good. She's the best addition to the show since Murphy.

Edited May 1, 200916 yr by Cashton

LOL, my friend and I have been going back and forth about Mary Jane's true identity and about who is gaslighting Ashley for two weeks.

Yep - they did the nasty. And during their "afterglow", Stacey nailed Jack (again) by revealing she's not married. And she gave one of the best evil cackles i've heard in a long time on soaps.

That cackle was pretty awesome.

Edited May 1, 200916 yr by AllAboutAngst

Has MJ slept with Jack already? Sheesh. Nice goin', Y&R.

Okay, maybe she is Patty, which doesn't work, IMO. It presumes Patty never made peace with anything Jack did; that that last year or so in GC when she dated Danny and began putting the pieces of her life back together didn't happen...

And once again, I wish MAB weren't writing this damn show.

You know, I don't really remember it being a YEAR that Patty dated Danny. I remember her moving back into her parents house and seeing a therapist (played by Veleka Gray, who was simultaneously playing a manicurist on the same show). I remember Bill Bell putting an end to the story, by having Patty realize she WASN'T dealing with things well, and deciding she had to get out of town. I remember Patty moving to Washington to live with her reporter brother Steve, who had moved there earlier.

So, the premise for her leaving town was that she COULDN'T DEAL.

When Mary and Paul last discussed Patty, briefly, Mary lamented that she had lost contact with her daughter, and wondered what had become of her.

I believe, therefore, that it could quite easily be Patty, based solely on backstory. She never recovered from Jack, and she has been missing for a very long time. (This was my reason for wishing Patty to be Tawny, Amber's mom).

Honestly, I'm still fuming - not that my theory wasn't correct, lol, but that the writers would dredge up part of the history but conveniently "forget" the rest of it. But, should I expect anything less from a show which somehow has Billy older than Kate/Chloe, or Heather Stevens and Cane Ashby in the same age-group as Lily Winters and Victor Newman, Jr.?

LOL, my friend and I have been going back and forth about Mary Jane's true identity and about who is gaslighting Ashley for two weeks.

Yes, this next era we're moving into is filled with interesting mysteries, which is what I always love.

Who is Mary Jane? Who is gaslighting Ashley? Who will Rafe schtupp. And so forth. Posing questions and dragging out the answers is very, very cool.

I remember Bill Bell putting an end to the story, by having Patty realize she WASN'T dealing with things well, and deciding she had to get out of town.

So she waited all these years to get plastic surgery and return to GC, seeking revenge?

If that's true, then that makes me hate the story even more.

Who is Mary Jane? Who is gaslighting Ashley?

Who do we have to kill to get a different HW?

Edited May 1, 200916 yr by Khan

You know, I don't really remember it being a YEAR that Patty dated Danny. I remember her moving back into her parents house and seeing a therapist (played by Veleka Gray, who was simultaneously playing a manicurist on the same show). I remember Bill Bell putting an end to the story, by having Patty realize she WASN'T dealing with things well, and deciding she had to get out of town. I remember Patty moving to Washington to live with her reporter brother Steve, who had moved there earlier.

So, the premise for her leaving town was that she COULDN'T DEAL.

When Mary and Paul last discussed Patty, briefly, Mary lamented that she had lost contact with her daughter, and wondered what had become of her.

I believe, therefore, that it could quite easily be Patty, based solely on backstory. She never recovered from Jack, and she has been missing for a very long time. (This was my reason for wishing Patty to be Tawny, Amber's mom).

Oh now that I didn't know either! It's going to be really interesting to see if how they inform the audience of Patty's past. They can't use Jack flashback's cause Terry Lester was playing Jack then, right? And, minus Jack, they could show flashbacks of Patty, but which one would they show? Andrea Evan's Patty or Lilbet Stern's. i think a story like this REALLY needs flashbacks.

MarkH - do u have the link to the trascript for tomorrow's show? I have to see the dialouge betwwn MJ and Paul..like now! hehe. I'm in total Y&R geek mode today.

So she waited all these years to get plastic surgery and return to GC, seeking revenge?

If that's true, then that makes me hate the story even more.

No, in her first "back of the head" scene with Victor it was implied she'd been in accident and was disfigured.

For that part of the story, I'm imagining something like a Vanessa Prentiss arc.

In other words, why did Patty never come home? Maybe part of the reason is that she had a horrible accident and her face was terribly disfigured. Lacking the means to fix it, and ashamed, she lived in seclusion.

When Victor hunted her down, part of the appeal was that he would fix her face (soap opera style). Of course, a side benefit is that she looks different...and can therefore do stealth work for Victor.

MarkH - do u have the link to the trascript for tomorrow's show? I have to see the dialouge betwwn MJ and Paul..like now! hehe. I'm in total Y&R geek mode today.

http://tvmegasite.net/day/yr/transcripts/y...-04-30-09.shtml

Don't you DARE compare this mess to Vanessa's story, lol! That story was beautiful...well, that is, until she became annoying.

So she waited all these years to get plastic surgery and return to GC, seeking revenge?

If that's true, then that makes me hate the story even more.

Who do we have to kill to get a different HW?

But Khan - Patty had no means or resources to exact revenge on Jack till Victor came-a-calling. From what I can tell from her adoration of Victor, he truly saved her from SOMETHING. I don't know what it is, but her face was bad and she wasn't too well off. Revenge + money+ opportunity makes it plausible for me.