Have a look here:

http://www.theboldandthebeautiful.com/ -> Credit List

They updated it, now reading the following...

Head Writer Bradley P. Bell

Co Head Writer Michael Minnis

No sign at all of Kay Alden in those credits - promting me to ask: Is she out at B&B?

She's listed as "Kate Alden" in the Co-HW spot...

Michael Minnis is listed as another Co-HW after Alden though...

Edited December 4, 200817 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

She's still listed there when I look at it.

Doesn't seem like she's been around that long. So what's been going on since she got there? The Eric/Donna thing...Ridge/Taylor/Brooke....Rick vs Ridge....anything else? The first of those three is/was awful. I know that she's not the main HW so it's not all her doing, but I wonder how much influence she has.

Edited December 4, 200817 yr by bandbfan

She's listed as "Kate Alden" in the Co-HW spot...

Michael Minnis is listed as another Co-HW after Alden though...

They must have updated it again...

Checked the press site and she's listed there in the credits section which got updated yesterday; here there aren't any spelling errors and Jack Smith is properly credited as John F. Smith. Both Alden and Minnis are credited as co-heads as well.

Only changes I now spotted are in the make-up department; two gone, one returnee and some woman from Deal or No Deal. Wonder how it will take before very woman in LA will be sporting brief cases... LOL!

They must have updated it again...

Checked the press site and she's listed there in the credits section which got updated yesterday; here there aren't any spelling errors and Jack Smith is properly credited as John F. Smith. Both Alden and Minnis are credited as co-heads as well.

Only changes I now spotted are in the make-up department; two gone, one returnee and some woman from Deal or No Deal. Wonder how it will take before very woman in LA will be sporting brief cases... LOL!

Here is the direct URL: http://boldandbeautiful.com/bb/main/credits.jsp

Here is what it says:

Created By William J. Bell

Lee Phillip Bell

Executive Producer Bradley P. Bell

Head Writer Bradley P. Bell

Supervising Producer Rhonda Friedman

Senior Producer Ron Weaver

Producer Cynthia J. Popp

Coordinating Producer Adam Dusevoir

Associate Producer Casey Kasprzyk

Co Head Writer Kate Alden

Michael Minnis

Story Consultant Jerry Birn

Writers Jack Smith

Tracey Ann Kelly

Patrick Mulcahey

Rex M. Best

Shannon Bradley

Adam Dusevoir

Elizabeth Snyder

Directors Michael Stich

Deveney Kelly

Cynthia J. Popp

David Shaughnessy

Jennifer Howard

Associate Directors Steven A. Wacker

Clyde Kaplan

Jennifer Howard

Catherine Sedwick

Technical Director Charles F. Guzzi

Production Designer Jack Forrestel

Art Director Fabrice Kenwood

Set Decorators Charlotte Garnell Scheide

Elsa Zamparelli

Costume Designer Birgit Müller

Assistant Costume Designer Craig Aspden

Costumers Ross Fuentes

Gina Chapa

Lighting Directors Pat Cunniff

Scha Jani

Rod Yamane

Composers Jack Allocco

David Kurtz

Music Coordinator Lothar Struff

Studio Manager Cristy Trembly

Stage Managers Laura Yale

Doug Hayden

Casting Director Christy Dooley

Casting Assistant DeAnna Andrews

Controller Richard Ginger

Production Assistant Lori Staffier

Production Coordinators Mark Pinciotti

Robin Harvey

Executive Assistant Ann Willmott

Assistant to Executive Producer Jennifer Tartaro

Production Office Assistant Erica Ginger

Director of Communications and Talent Relations Eva Demirjian

Domestic Publicity Coordinator Jennifer Mulhall

VP of International Sales, BBL Christine Waage

VP of International Service, BBL Anthony Ferrari

VP of International Publicity, BBL David Gregg

International Sales and Marketing Manager, BBL Shelby Hine

Hair Design Kathy Weltman

Carlos Pelz

Make-up Design Christine Lai Johnson

Missy Sandora

Allyson Carey

Jackie Brubaker

Camera Ted Morales

Gordon Sweeney

Tom Luth

Video Roberto Bosio

Scha Jani

Videotape Editors Brian Bagwell

Jim Friesen

Jonathan Smilowitz

Boom David Golba

Stan Sweeney

Jim Hope

Audio Brian Connell

Aaron Lepley

Post Production Audio Jerry Martz

Daniel Lecuna

George Forbes

Legal Consultant Edward Bradley

Fan Club Director Cathy Tomas

so with a genuine blood bell and all these great Y&R alums in the cast AND credits how does the show still suck? oh yeah, cause Brad Bell can't hold a candle to his father

She's listed as "Kate Alden" in the Co-HW spot...

Michael Minnis is listed as another Co-HW after Alden though...

This would be a promotion for Minnis. He's been serving as the Associate Head Writer.

I almost had a heart attack when I read the thread title. The day Kay Alden leaves will be a very sad day for B&B.

The credit lists are always getting messed up. She's still there.

As much as everyone likes to blame Bradley for the horrible state this show is in right now, Alden deserves her fair share as well. Nothing is clicking very well on B&B right now, and I don't think that's all due to Bradley. Alden's style and B&B's traditional style just don't mesh at all. Alden doesn't know these characters very well and it shows. Brad is known for trusting his team, and sadly, Alden has yet to deliver anything significantly good since her promotion.

Personally, I think she's just coasting at B&B. She just wants to collect a paycheck and she knows she'll retire in a few years.

As much as everyone likes to blame Bradley for the horrible state this show is in right now, Alden deserves her fair share as well. Nothing is clicking very well on B&B right now, and I don't think that's all due to Bradley. Alden's style and B&B's traditional style just don't mesh at all. Alden doesn't know these characters very well and it shows. Brad is known for trusting his team, and sadly, Alden has yet to deliver anything significantly good since her promotion.

Personally, I think she's just coasting at B&B. She just wants to collect a paycheck and she knows she'll retire in a few years.

I sort of disagree and sort of agree. The WHOLE writing team is at fault, it's not just Brad. Kay's promotion has not been very creatively focused, she's a worker bee, she writes what she's told to write. I also don't think she's coasting, waiting for retirement. Kay and her husband are wealthy, if she wanted to retire, she could, easily.

I don't think Kay's style is a problem, she doesn't usually, if ever, handle Breakdowns, so the pacing of the show is definitely B&B. Nor do I think her darker tone is bad for the show, B&B has darker in the 90s (when it used to be great)...what I think has happened is that Brad has veered away from fashion, BIG MISTAKE, to focus on the Forresters and the Logans as if they were the Newmans and the Abbotts and it just doesn't work. B&B is a campy show that isn't being written like that.

That being said, Brad knows this. He knows the show is not what it could be...Brad, Minnis, Alden, Lee Phillip Bell and Jerry Birn have had a big pow wow and have revamped the storylines for 2009.

Edited December 5, 200817 yr by DaytimeFan

As much as everyone likes to blame Bradley for the horrible state this show is in right now, Alden deserves her fair share as well. Nothing is clicking very well on B&B right now, and I don't think that's all due to Bradley. Alden's style and B&B's traditional style just don't mesh at all. Alden doesn't know these characters very well and it shows. Brad is known for trusting his team, and sadly, Alden has yet to deliver anything significantly good since her promotion.

See, I disagree. When Jack Smith left in 2004 the show began to decline, and by the end of 2005 B&B had become a steaming bag of cow manure. The storylines started going round in circles and the characters lacked motivation. It hit rock bottom last year with Rick & Phoebe and the Boldface Challenge. The show began to turn around with Brooke's rape and the "Who Shot Stephanie" storyline. It still isn't perfect, but Kay has at least made it watchable.

That being said, Brad knows this. He knows the show is not what it could be...Brad, Minnis, Alden, Lee Phillip Bell and Jerry Birn have had a big pow wow and have revamped the storylines for 2009.

I hope so!

Just curious, DaytimeFan - how do you know all this behind-the-scenes stuff?

The show began to turn around with Brooke's rape and the "Who Shot Stephanie" storyline. It still isn't perfect, but Kay has at least made it watchable.

Those storylines happened before Kay's promotion and they were planned before she joined the writing team.

I thought B&B was really good in the spring of 2007 and for most part of summer 2007. I don't think Alden's hiring made any difference. The strike material, which she was very involved in, sucked and the show has been dreadful since late spring of this year - when Alden's promotion occurred.

I don't see anything on this show as being more "watchable" than it was. It's the same old, same old...

Edited December 5, 200817 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I hope so!

Just curious, DaytimeFan - how do you know all this behind-the-scenes stuff?

C'mon kiddo, you and I both know what I can say about that...