Thanks for all the tweets @Vee . Those Vance clips are genuinely hilarious, even if I know nothing about this is a laughing matter. 

2008 and the Jay Z flap did come to mind when I saw all the reaction to the twerking at the Atlanta rally, with "Hoes for Harris" already trending. I guess this will just give the old white people who were voting for Trump another reason to do but hopefully won't affect anything else. 

Her first choice of city post-VP announcement is leading many to assume Shapiro will be the choice. I hope not. 

1 minute ago, DRW50 said:

Her first choice of city post-VP announcement is leading many to assume Shapiro will be the choice. I hope not. 

I think concern over Shapiro is heavily overstated. The splinter of young leftists who will peel off were going to find another excuse. I don't believe we'd lose anyone else. But I'm not convinced it's him anyway.

1 minute ago, DRW50 said:

2008 and the Jay Z flap did come to mind when I saw all the reaction to the twerking at the Atlanta rally, with "Hoes for Harris" already trending. I guess this will just give the old white people who were voting for Trump another reason to do but hopefully won't affect anything else. 

Well, no, I was referring to the current hype and momentum being similar to 2008. Not a negative angle.

Meanwhile:

 

44 minutes ago, Vee said:

I think concern over Shapiro is heavily overstated. The splinter of young leftists who will peel off were going to find another excuse. I don't believe we'd lose anyone else. But I'm not convinced it's him anyway.

Well, no, I was referring to the current hype and momentum being similar to 2008. Not a negative angle.

Oh I know but it reminded me of some of the other 2008 similarities.

Unfortunately, Israel isn't the only concern going around about Shapiro. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kamala-harris-vp-frontrunner-josh-shapiro-accused-of-sex-harassment-cover-up

I could see them being torn between him and Kelly. Not sure what the final pick will be of those two (and Walz with an outside chance too).

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A forlorn voice highlights the problem:

 

7 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I could see them being torn between him and Kelly. Not sure what the final pick will be of those two (and Walz with an outside chance too).

Suspicion abounds about Beshear. I don't really think there's a bad choice, but I want PA locked down if possible.

 

12 hours ago, Vee said:

The splinter of young leftists who will peel off were going to find another excuse.

I agree.  They're just posturing for the sake of posturing.  In the end, they either will vote third party or (more likely) sit it out.

On a related note: good ol' reliable Nina Turner is warning Kamala Harris that she will lose progressives if she picks Josh Shapiro for her VP.  This, of course, begs the question: who da fuq even LISTENS to Nina Turner anymore?

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1 hour ago, Khan said:

On a related note: good ol' reliable Nina Turner is warning Kamala Harris that she will lose progressives if she picks Josh Shapiro for her VP.  This, of course, begs the question: who da fuq even LISTENS to Nina Turner anymore?

Very few. I don't know if Shapiro is the right choice, but I don't believe any negative impact there will be that big.

Meanwhile:

 

 

I would urge everyone to check the Media thread, where I have begun putting up a ton of Trump's disastrous appearance at NABJ (it probably should be crossposted, but I am running to the gym soon). It will be very bad for him. It's another gift to us.

19 hours ago, Vee said:

 

Years ago, there was that meme of clips featuring Harris, who was still a Senator, launching her Presidential campaign set to Megan Thee Stallion’s song “Savage”. It was very clever, I might have even posted it in this thread. I am fairly certain that both women saw that meme.

A moment of clarity with Vivek:

 

It seems like the whole clown car is in on this. His rally is blaring an AP headline about Harris being the first Indian-American senator. These are deeply cynical attacks that have been around for years but sadly I think they are effective with a lot of stupid people.

I think they were around even before this loser but a starting point:

 

9 minutes ago, Vee said:

A moment of clarity with Vivek:

He wasn't even doing that weird shouting of his. He must be upset.

I think what irks me about the "controversy" surrounding Kamala Harris' ethnicity is the perception from many that she can't be African-American AND Indian-American, too; that she needs to "pick a side," as it were.

I, myself, happen to be African-American and Muscogee (or Creek) Nation Indian on my mother's side, and Indian and Chinese on my father's.  My father immigrated to the U.S. in 1972, after spending much of his life in his native Georgetown, British Guyana; while my mother was born and raised in small town Oklahoma, with most of her relatives (both biological and adoptive) still in the area. 

Most of the time, I self-identify as African-American, because that is the part of my heritage with which I am most familiar; but in fact, I am proud of my entire heritage and ALL my ancestors, on BOTH sides, and I would never deny either side for any reason; and I resent the implication from Black AND White people that I can't embrace both.

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I really liked the Harris campaign response highlighting the chaos and division that Trump causes.  It is refreshing that the campaign is no longer going with the “they go low, we go high” route. Instead, they are really leaning into the anxiety that American voters felt around January 6th, and a desire for stability.  It seems much more dignified to focus on the cultural impact of Trump's brand of division, than trying to defend why it is wrong.  It assumes that any logical person would be appalled by his treatment of Black women.  But it also broadens the issue to show how it makes everyone feel uneasy and afraid of what he'll do next. 

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