The Politics Thread

1 hour ago, Khan said:

What IS it with that man and his obsession with people (not) having children?  I know I've joked before that I think JDV is secretly jealous of those who aren't "tied down" with kids like he is, but I'm starting to think I actually hit the nail on its' head.

I don't know what his personal feelings are but I just assume that whatever opinion he spouts is to curry favour with unreasonable voters.

 

1 hour ago, wonderwoman1951 said:

wish someone would ask him how he feels about priests and nuns influencing children. 

Evangelical protestants don't have celibate clergy so why not throw in an anti-Catholic bias? 

Don Lemon "speaking" for the black community.

Edited August 28, 20241 yr by sivad40

26 minutes ago, Xanthe said:

Evangelical protestants don't have celibate clergy so why not throw in an anti-Catholic bias? 

not sure of your point; vance is a catholic convert. 

1 minute ago, wonderwoman1951 said:

not sure of your point; vance is a catholic convert. 

I did not know that! I was presuming that he was pandering to an evangelical protestant audience and didn't know his religion was anything else. Thanks for the correction. That makes his position even more disgusting and bizarre, and I was already plenty disgusted.

57 minutes ago, Xanthe said:

I did not know that! I was presuming that he was pandering to an evangelical protestant audience and didn't know his religion was anything else. Thanks for the correction. That makes his position even more disgusting and bizarre, and I was already plenty disgusted.

There is a sect of very right wing Catholicism that you often get with converts in recent years - I don't mean just your average person converting, but the circles of the rich and powerful. Many of them are attached to Peter Thiel. The Red Scare (the nasty podcast by two women who mainly spew all kinds of right wing hate and tradwife talking points)/Dimes Square circuit is in the same vein.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/j-d-vances-radical-religion

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/08/jd-vance-post-liberal-catholics-thiel/679388/

What Peter Thiel, J.D. Vance, and Others Are Learning From Curtis Yarvin and the New Right | Vanity Fair

https://ravenewworld.substack.com/p/the-grimes-red-scare-debate-was-a

1 hour ago, sivad40 said:

Don Lemon "speaking" for the black community.

That's such a short clip (from a right wing account), but I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. There was a great deal of hostility toward Harris and I don't think she has defined herself, which is one of the reasons I was anxious about her being the candidate (she's certainly done well so far). With that said, Don Lemon has always been hollowed out, just switching personality and viewpoint depending on the political winds of the time. There's a lot of money out there to promote the line about how much black voters love Trump. And Trump did improve his performance in 2020, with a strong chance of doing that again this year, so he has all the more incentive to push that line. 

He looks completely exhausted. I guess similar to former BFF-for-the-cameras Chris Cuomo, selling your soul over and over has consequences.

He is apparently so exhausted he forgot what battleground states are. Indiana, Illinois, New Jersey and Ohio are not battleground states.

Edited August 28, 20241 yr by DRW50

Yeah, I'm not really taking right wing Twitter accounts and Don Lemon's anecdotal chats as a great indicator of a trend.

The clip in Chris Bouzy's tweet is worth watching. Tom Bonier from TargetSmart and voter registration data. just note that Bonier, Bouzy, and Simon Rosenberg were the only 3 correct about 2022.

 

 

I don't know about Florida, but I can buy GA and NC. I think people are underestimating the vote again like '22, and I think it serves the Harris campaign to keep expectations tight.

6 hours ago, Vee said:

I don't know about Florida, but I can buy GA and NC. I think people are underestimating the vote again like '22, and I think it serves the Harris campaign to keep expectations tight.

I tend to agree, although Bouzy is from Florida and his model is different.  It's not based on polling.  I watched a clip of Nikki Fried, who is now head of the democratic party in Florida, and the haplessness of the party in recent years is gone.  The wins by democrats in many places across the state has gone underreported of course.

The registration numbers for the GOP being 1 million over democrats is a statistical falsehood. There are roughly over 1 million democratic voters that are inactive, a new law passed by the GOP legislature in Florida in 2022 that went into effect in 2023. It basically means people who did not vote in 2022, do not get counted and become inactive. Now that does not mean their registration is invalid or anything needs to be done other than to vote to be active again. It's a way of pumping up GOP numbers in the media to make people believe the state is overrun by the GOP.  Remember 2022 was a disaster in Florida for democrats because the party down there was and has been a mess for several years. It's not that there are no democrats down there but over 1 million less voted in 2022. Fried has gotten things back on track. But I do agree it's a big hurdle and the Harris campaign needs to spend money there. Will they? Who knows. But Carville(who I find annoying and preachy) has also changed it to winnable and the latest map from NPR based on polling now has Florida as Lean R versus likely R.  So we'll see.  Florida does have referendums on Abortion and Marijuana on the ballot in November.

Edited August 28, 20241 yr by JaneAusten

10 hours ago, DRW50 said:

 

Of course, this is good news for all Democrats who live in Oklahoma (including yours truly).  People assume that all of OK leans conservative, but that isn't entirely true.  Democrats actually perform well in Oklahoma City and Tulsa; it's the "God and guns" rednecks in the rural areas that do us in every time.

16 minutes ago, Khan said:

Of course, this is good news for all Democrats who live in Oklahoma (including yours truly).  People assume that all of OK leans conservative, but that isn't entirely true.  Democrats actually perform well in Oklahoma City and Tulsa; it's the "God and guns" rednecks in the rural areas that do us in every time.

Same here in Ohio. Lately a lot of people have been looking at JD Vance and wondering how Tim Ryan could lose to such a repellant person and the truth is because Ohio is just chock full of awful people. You need look no further than our state house. It's filled criminals, perverts, and Christian nationalists. Look up the Center for Christian virtue. They have been dragging this state back to the stone age.

55 minutes ago, marceline said:

Same here in Ohio. Lately a lot of people have been looking at JD Vance and wondering how Tim Ryan could lose to such a repellant person and the truth is because Ohio is just chock full of awful people. You need look no further than our state house. It's filled criminals, perverts, and Christian nationalists. Look up the Center for Christian virtue. They have been dragging this state back to the stone age.

He also  wants to cut the Billion in Climate money Ohio is getting!

this is entertaining — in particular the one re jd vance. free link. 

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