Co-sign!

TPTB already disdain us, generally laugh at us and ignore us. Do we really need to turn on each other in the same manner? "It's your fault Daytime is going down the drain." No, it's not. I love Daytime but should be allowed to express my opinions and use any terminology I want in doing so.

Just because I come on this board to talk about Y&R or AMC or whatever doesn't mean I am the source of Daytime's ills -- which are, in no particular order:

-spoilers, spoilers and more spoilers,

-rabid, hysteria-prone fanbases,

-micromanaged writers under tremendous pressure,

-PTB that don't know their ass from their elbow, and

-sh!tty time slots.

And P.S.: I don't agree with Marlena's essay -- as JP said, it's too early to judge Pratt -- but it's her blog, her POV.

Agreed 100% with all of this--although I WOULD put micromanaged writers (and EPs with little vision or control) as the number one ill, for me personally.

Primetime and cable seem to be able to withstand internet fans. Some even capitalize on them. Why is daytime unable to handle it? The internet fan is a fact of the modern world. So it sounds like it's the march of time that's killed soaps.

Because daytime and primetime are two different animals. I wish people would realize that.

Because daytime and primetime are two different animals. I wish people would realize that.

I realize that, and agree fully with your statement. I just don't understand your perspective on how the difference has anything to do with Internet fans.

Sometimes I feel sorry for the writers, because they just can't seem to win...

I'm not saying I agree/disagree with this article though.

I don't have much to say about her dislike of Pratt. But I hated this in response to one commenters use of the term "umbrella story":

Dismissive much?

That was my comment. I love Marlena's columns but yeah, that was a bit bitchy. And how would she know that I'm just a "fan" and not someone in the know?

Because daytime and primetime are two different animals. I wish people would realize that.

They're different animals but they have to exist in the same world. Daytime doesn't get to pretend that the internet doesn't exist so it needs to acknowledge internet fans and deal with them accordingly.

It's not the responsibility of the audience to stay the same. Its up to the genre to adapt to the audience if it wants to survive, let alone grow.

That was my comment. I love Marlena's columns but yeah, that was a bit bitchy. And how would she know that I'm just a "fan" and not someone in the know?

Not only was it bitchy, it was a perfect example of the arrogance plaguing soap management. "You stay on the couch and eat candy, little viewer, while we make the magic show in the pretty light box." I was really surprised to see Marlena go there since she refers to her readers as thinking fans.

Edited October 29, 200817 yr by marceline

Not only was it bitchy, it was a perfect example of the arrogance plaguing soap management. "You stay on the couch and eat candy, little viewer, while we make the magic show in the pretty light box." I was really surprised to see Marlena go there since she refers to her readers as thinking fans.

Thanks. I appreciate the support. Does anyone else feel sorry for me? I mean, she totally attacked me!

LOL! I'm just being dramatic.

This event wasnt about Chuck Pratt. It was about reshaping the show, shaking it up, and trying to salvage it.

Did it start off some interesting storylines? Yes. Did it reshape shake up the show? No so much IMO. I'd hardly call killing off one minor character (which is what Babe had become) and placing a iritating busy body in a coma "shaking up" or "reshaping".t

Edited October 29, 200817 yr by MichaelGL

Did it start off some interesting storylines? Yes. Did it reshape shake up the show? No so much IMO. I'd hardly call killing off one minor character (which is what Babe had become) and placing a iritating busy body in a coma "shaking up" or "reshaping"

It also:

• brought back Bianca and David.
• forced Jesse to fess up about Natalia and Rebecca.
• put Ryan/Greenlee back together (not that anyone cares)
• resulted in Emma's kidnapping
• pushed Adam and Erica together while making Adam confess

I'd call that a fair amount shaking up. What else did he need to do? Blow up New York City while Will Smith, Jeff Goldblum and Bill Pullman save the world from aliens?

Edited October 30, 200817 yr by marceline

You know from the build up of the hype I thought there would at least be few new sets. The sound of the tornado with the town it basically left it in ruins, yet there seems like no damamge happened. Watching the scnees from the Chandler mansion where a tornado seemed to have hit seems like nothing happened, Colby even said one hit her back yard, and you see David sitting in outside on a wicker bench. A little wind blow would take that across the patio possibly through the glass doors yet its still there. Makes you think.

Interent does have a play in the downfall of soaps. Everything is spoiled but the people behind the scenes have to take blame for letting this stuff get out. Primetime seems to not let as much get out.

I agree, tptb give way too much away nowadays. It does take away from the suspense of the situation.

Interent does have a play in the downfall of soaps. Everything is spoiled but the people behind the scenes have to take blame for letting this stuff get out. Primetime seems to not let as much get out.

The problem is that soaps haven't figured out how to use the internet. Blaming the web is just another form of oppression by nostalgia. It's like saying people don't communicate anymore since we no longer mail letters. It's not true.

I agree about spoilers. Look at how much of the discussion here and on other message boards is about spoilers. When you consider how much we react to what we read instead of what we see, it's like soaps have become a big book club. But spoilers and the internet aren't the same thing. And until soaps find a way to use to the internet to their advantage, they'll die.

Edited November 1, 200817 yr by marceline

You know from the build up of the hype I thought there would at least be few new sets. The sound of the tornado with the town it basically left it in ruins, yet there seems like no damamge happened. Watching the scnees from the Chandler mansion where a tornado seemed to have hit seems like nothing happened, Colby even said one hit her back yard, and you see David sitting in outside on a wicker bench. A little wind blow would take that across the patio possibly through the glass doors yet its still there. Makes you think.

What new sets are you expecting? I'm confused.

What new sets are you expecting? I'm confused.

It was something I think was implied/assumed, seeing as we were told PV wouldnt look the same after it and things like that. Although the whole let's make some really horrid set for Zach and Kendall to live in for this week's episodes just so we can destroy it so that you can see the CGI ocean behind it' thing kind of made me lose faith. You'd at least think considering 4(?) tornados hit the town that some buildings would get a little bit of a revamp...OLTL spends all their budget on big returns, you'd think AMC would use theirs on revamping the sets or something. As for what GH does with their budget...