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Knots Landing

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1 hour ago, Khan said:

In a way, Don Murray left KL at the right time. KL became a full-fledged soap opera in order to survive, and I can't see how Sid would've survived the change without becoming a completely different type of character.

That is one of the biggest what-if questions because Don Murray leaving KL at the start of season 3 shifted the balance of the show.. and it turned Karen into a Karen and turned Abby into a full fledged vixen/villianess. The only individual that kept both of them in check was no longer around and while it certainly made for an exciting show... both Karen and Abby became vile individuals (in other words, great to watch.. but not whom I would to know in real life).

The other what-if question was the Gary/Abby affair in the 2nd half of season 3. What if the showrunners didn't listen to the performers and didn't have the two go all the way? I think the focus would have stayed on Seaview Circle a lot longer until at least season 5/6 since Gary/Abby moving out at the start of season 4 was the start of the shift away from a show about couples on Seaview Circle.

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Is “#1 with a Bullet” the first episode to take place completely outside of the cul-de-sac?

* Never mind, I just remembered Joshua and Cathy frolicked in Laura’s house for a scene.

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Continuing to make my way through the late '80s -- I'm up to just before it's discovered that Paige killed Peter -- and every so often, I think about the poor AP or UPI writer that would have to somehow write three coherent paragraphs once Greg and Abby marry. They had one complicated as hell relationship over a six-year period.

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2 hours ago, Khan said:

Even KL would become less middle-class in the next year in order to keep up with DALLAS, DYNASTY and FC.

Season 5 Knots Landing got corporate with Lotus Point, ventured into James Bond/action thriller territory with Wolfbridge, and also got glamorous. IMO going corporate and glamorous was done in response to Dynasty blowing up and becoming a pop culture phenomenon.

37 minutes ago, Franko said:

once Greg and Abby marry. They had one complicated as hell relationship over a six-year period.

Greg/Abby were originally co-conspirators with benefits and the marriage was more business/political power couple. Their booty call hookups didn't turn into love and the marriage didn't either.

Someone once said that Abby wanted to be Greg more than she wanted to be with Greg. That's pretty accurate I'd say.

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3 minutes ago, kalbir said:

Season 5 Knots Landing got corporate with Lotus Point, ventured into James Bond/action thriller territory with Wolfbridge, and also got glamorous. IMO going corporate and glamorous was done in response to Dynasty blowing up and becoming a pop culture phenomenon

I also felt like it was the first season that they really started to expand out of the cul-de-sac, and I thought that it worked well. Better then when FC started to expand out of the winery.

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8 minutes ago, kalbir said:

Greg/Abby were originally co-conspirators with benefits and the marriage was more business/political power couple. Their booty call hookups didn't turn into love and the marriage didn't either.

Oh, definitely. I'm just imagining the public trying to make sense of a former U.S. senator, who resigned after less than two months in office, taking for his third wife a woman marrying for the fourth time, whom he previously rescued from a kidnapper that was among his campaign contributors. Not to mention the whole Lotus Point of it all, everything from Greg making a public stink about the arsenic-tainted water to that being where Peter (whom the 1988 public would still believe was Greg's half-brother) died, to Abby's partners including her ex-husband, her ex-sister-in-law (and part of the couple she and Greg are in a custody suit against), and Greg's late wife.

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As crazy as it is, there is something awfully sweet about Abby and Olivia's reactions to realizing each was willing to protect the other for murdering Peter, and even more that they're both innocent. (Well, minus Abby hiding the corpse for six weeks.)

"Oh, Mom, we gotta start talking to each other more often."

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On 6/13/2026 at 8:36 PM, Franko said:

As crazy as it is, there is something awfully sweet about Abby and Olivia's reactions to realizing each was willing to protect the other for murdering Peter, and even more that they're both innocent. (Well, minus Abby hiding the corpse for six weeks.)

"Oh, Mom, we gotta start talking to each other more often."

True, but it's as if whatever breakthroughs they have achieved in their relationship get tossed out the proverbial window the moment Harold Dyer enters the scene. Ironically, as controlling as Abby could be toward her children, I actually think she was right to believe Harold was not the right guy for Olivia. He was Jeff Cunningham all over again.

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1 minute ago, Khan said:

True, but it's as if whatever breakthroughs they have achieved in their relationship get tossed out the proverbial window the moment Harold Dyer enters the scene. Ironically, as controlling as Abby could be toward her children, I actually think she was right to believe Harold was not the right guy for Olivia. He was Jeff Cunningham all over again.

I'm a few weeks away from Harold's arrival. Michael York has just shown up. (And we're all going to wish he hadn't.)

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20 minutes ago, Khan said:

True, but it's as if whatever breakthroughs they have achieved in their relationship get tossed out the proverbial window the moment Harold Dyer enters the scene. Ironically, as controlling as Abby could be toward her children, I actually think she was right to believe Harold was not the right guy for Olivia. He was Jeff Cunningham all over again.

It's a shame the show didn't think to telegraph that point. Considering the way Jeff was, it would have added more motivation and context for why Abby had an extreme dislike for Harold and why she was so intent on preventing Olivia from having to struggle the way she had to struggle in her early years.

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26 minutes ago, Khan said:

True, but it's as if whatever breakthroughs they have achieved in their relationship get tossed out the proverbial window the moment Harold Dyer enters the scene. Ironically, as controlling as Abby could be toward her children, I actually think she was right to believe Harold was not the right guy for Olivia. He was Jeff Cunningham all over again.

That was obviously the direction they were taking Olivia in - making her Abby's mini-me with her story arc of being unhappy being middle class struggling for money. And then they kind of dropped Olivia and had her and Harold go off into the sunset. I can only assume they started figuring that Olivia had way too many connections to the main cast that made it difficult for her to properly use her womanly wiles to get her way, so they had Linda take that role.

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28 minutes ago, Franko said:

Michael York has just shown up. (And we're all going to wish he hadn't.)

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the Lechowicks were good at a lot of things, but they were lousy at casting. About the only two instances where I felt they nailed it was with Robert Desiderio as Ted Melcher (he played well opposite Donna Mills and Nicolette Sheridan) and of course, Philip Brown as Brian Johnston, lol. Most of the time, however, they were so far off the mark that you had to wonder why Michael Filerman or David Jacobs didn't step in and do something.

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7 minutes ago, te. said:

I can only assume they started figuring that Olivia had way too many connections to the main cast that made it difficult for her to properly use her womanly wiles to get her way, so they had Linda take that role.

I figured it was because they thought Tonya Crowe was too "nice" to play the next generation Abby.

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4 hours ago, Khan said:

I figured it was because they thought Tonya Crowe was too "nice" to play the next generation Abby.

I don't think it had to do with her acting ability as much as the other young male in the cast was Olivia's cousin and seeing Olivia go after either Greg or Gary or Mac would be ultra gross. Easier to have Linda take that role.

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