Members DeeeDee Posted August 5, 2008 Members Share Posted August 5, 2008 Her pacing problems began WAY before that. And perfectly? Not a chance. Nikki being SHOT was all. about. VICTOR. Victor's epilepsy was. all. about. JACK. John's stroke was. all. about. GLORIA. Then you would maintain wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cat Posted August 5, 2008 Members Share Posted August 5, 2008 I think LML was helped GREATLY by having Jack Smith and the long-standing Y&R team at her beck and call. When she took over the EP role and started cutting them loose, the show lost its bearings almost overnight. What is the point of establishing potentially good SLs if you won't follow through on them? Smith laid the seeds of Brad's secret past when Nikki started looking into Bobby Marsino's past and her own childhood tragedy. LML contributed a one-day exposition where Brad broke the news on the airplane about his double identity. Then we had Brad's Super Thighs of Thunder. The only thing I will give LML is her revitalising the character of Sharon. And improving the dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dm. Posted August 5, 2008 Members Share Posted August 5, 2008 I must admit that every time I heard "Lynn" and "good" in the same sentence I become nauseous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted August 5, 2008 Members Share Posted August 5, 2008 Doggone it..double post? Co-sign, totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cat Posted August 5, 2008 Members Share Posted August 5, 2008 Tee hee.... "Doggone it." I haven't heard that in forever! P.S.: I don't see any double-post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dm. Posted August 5, 2008 Members Share Posted August 5, 2008 It was on the sixth page a few minutes before, but now it disappeared. Must be some bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted August 5, 2008 Members Share Posted August 5, 2008 I can't defend the broad oevre of LML. In the end, it was a disaster, I admit that. I like that those three things you list above were as you describe. It was "red herring"....we focused on one thing, and then were SURPRISED that the story went somewhere else. If Nikki's shooting had been about Nikki, that would have been...pedestrian. That the REAL story beat was "new Victor" was a surprise, and that delighted me. We have no argument that her pacing was off, her story finishes were off, her respect for history and character were off, that her understanding of the Y&R brand was off. I just think in the beginning, during the period dmarex notes she was tethered by legacy creative staff, was fresh and different and exciting to me. Sadly, even I grew disenchanted...around January 2007...when Pheila was around and Nikki and Jack were running for state SENATE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dm. Posted August 5, 2008 Members Share Posted August 5, 2008 Yeah, the senate race was just...... ugh. It was like Nikki's twin took over for awhile. So many character changes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted August 5, 2008 Members Share Posted August 5, 2008 Agreed. I was so disappointed when Smith, then Alden, then Scott left. Not to mention Saitta and Foster and Houghton and Jones and... You get the idea. From the day Smith left, my worries began to grow. By the time Scott left, I knew all was lost. I'm just saying that in the Spring/Summer of 2006, I was filled with hope. I liked what I was seeing. Help me remember that. I do vaguely recall that the investigation led to Brad being from Cleveland...there being papers that were never looked at...is that what you're talking about? That is fuzzy to me. I remember wishing Brad and Bobby would be connected, but they never were. I miss Bobby. I think he's in witness protection. In that vein, he could be tied to the current story if they wanted. As for "Thighs of Thunder", given your affection for B&B's Brandon Beemer, I would assume you enjoyed Diamont's thighs too? I give her credit for those things, and I give her credit for her "launch" phase. That's it, for me. I was not so internet active during this early period, so I was able to enjoy it without so much fan negativity impinging on my enjoyment . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted August 5, 2008 Members Share Posted August 5, 2008 Those things weren't "red herrings". They were plot driven stunts that caused major changes for core cast members that weren't. even. about. them. Her reign of terror began WAY before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ann_SS Posted August 5, 2008 Members Share Posted August 5, 2008 I liked LML's Y&R for quite awhile, but then things went back. I liked that she picked up the pace and improve the dialogue. Working with Smith and I think Alden at first, LML's Y&R rocked, but then it things went off the rails. I always thought that she just needed a strong experienced soap person to reign her back in, but she fired everyone who could do just that so she dug her own grave. I'm not ready to rally around MAB and HS. MAB squandered months when she first started Y&R. Victor and Sabrina on location pursuing a modern art museum. WTF?! Ridiculous. I want want to that Y&R is turning a corner, but I've seen Hogan in action on ATWT. He starts off well and then verves off course badly. I'll settle for Jack regaining his prominent role on Y&R. Soaps do better when their best actors are featured over the mediocre ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cat Posted August 5, 2008 Members Share Posted August 5, 2008 Yes. There was this mystery with Nikki's childhood -- a little boy that might have been killed. Then, Y&R pulled a bait-and-switch one day and had Nikki confronting Brad over whether he was "Joshua." It looked like he might be... but then Bobby was revealed to be Joshua. I miss him, too. Bobby had spark. I hated when he was paired with Strippany, though. He and Nikki had acres of chemistry. ICK, no! I actually meant to write "Thighs of Death." Diamont's thighs (and the rest of him) do nothing for me. Beemer's thighs, I haven't seen, unfortunately, but I do like the way he wears a tightly-cut dress shirt. I wasn't really posting about Y&R so much either. I do remember the whiplash-fast pace leaving me unsettled, though. And when I checked out the Y&R threads, it was awash with praise so I felt a bit funny about posting what was initially just a niggling feeling of unease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dm. Posted August 5, 2008 Members Share Posted August 5, 2008 When would you say she started to terrorize the soap? The minute she joined the soap? I'm curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted August 5, 2008 Members Share Posted August 5, 2008 Before Michael & Lauren's wedding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dm. Posted August 5, 2008 Members Share Posted August 5, 2008 Wow. That's a loooooong time. But just around the time Lynnie started consulting. Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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