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Edited August 3, 200817 yr by YRBB

Victor is about to rip Nikki a new one. Monday is gonna be a good one.

^^^I agree and I can't wait to see those scenes.

Edited August 4, 200817 yr by a2sassy

Monday's episode is like an episode of yore...

Everything has been slowed down. Almost a 'pause in time', reflective episode. VERY little location movement, especially in the first half of the episode. Emotional music.

Conversations with meaning, there was something almost old-school about the feel of it. There wasn't the high drama of the past week, but it was still engaging. Thom Racina did well. Think back to his In The Zone interview and the 'writing structure picture' he painted, and it is working very well. Sheffer (we know he does them)/Kanelos/Hamner/Milstein have been nailing their breakdowns so far.

That final montage was VERY well done. The use of operatic music (the name of the song escapes me) was really nice. No words were needed, faces told the story. Sometimes, it is best to say nothing.

Nikki is going to have a tough time. Victor's words could very well dispell the 'Sticks and Stones' theory...

Nothing in the episode felt out of place. And KSJ got to show what he can do with meaningful material.

All we needed was an old-style fade-to-black with the name of the Executive Producer (even if the name of the EP does get some people's goat, lol)

Edited August 4, 200817 yr by UK LAW

Thom Racina did well. Think back to his In The Zone interview and the 'writing structure picture' he painted, and it is working very well. Sheffer (we know he does them)/Kanelos/Hamner/Milstein have been nailing their breakdowns so far.

I believe I listened to that interview, but I cannot recall the "writing structure picture".

Is there any way you could synopsize a few key points from that, from memory? Sorry to ask...

oh Monday was a fantastic episode. Victor really let into Nikki big time and I was kind of sad for Vicotr as he said goodbye to Sabrina. True, Sabrina and Victor were never really the "it" couple, but still. She was pregnant with his child, so he left off saying goodbye to two people- his unborn child and wife. Trust me, today was a fantastic episode.

You know what I loved about Monday's episode, Jack/Victor. I don't want to go into detail, but I loved how they wrote it. Braeden was awesome especially in his monologue to Nikki. Oh, and I *loved* Karen, you'll see why lol. NP was great in that scene.

You know what I loved about Monday's episode, Jack/Victor. I don't want to go into detail, but I loved how they wrote it. Braeden was awesome especially in his monologue to Nikki. Oh, and I *loved* Karen, you'll see why lol. NP was great in that scene.

Karen? Really?

Nia Peeples is great. Karen, however, is one big character void.

Nia is a terrific actress, but they really didn't give her character a chance. I wish they'd do something with her. There seems to be a lot of confusion in that character. She's afraid to move somewhere in a relationship, she constantly backs away. Why not turn this into something? I would love it if she became jealous over Tyra and showed some strength. If she's here to stay, at least let her do something. Don't let her be scene filler for a few months.

Korbel said he's leaving to teach in Maine... does that mean he's exiting the show? A few months ago we were told he's exiting, but nothing happened. Might this be the final straw?

Korbel said he's leaving to teach in Maine... does that mean he's exiting the show? A few months ago we were told he's exiting, but nothing happened. Might this be the final straw?

Hmmm...I have seen no comings-and-goings. It would make (sad) sense that this character would leave, given his/her lack of use or integration. Another squandered opportunity for everyone.

Hmmm...I have seen no comings-and-goings. It would make (sad) sense that this character would leave, given his/her lack of use or integration. Another squandered opportunity for everyone.

Yes, that's why I was confused. They would have said something if he was leaving. But on the other hand, when they let first Peeples go, they didn't say anything either.

Yes, that's why I was confused. They would have said something if <edited> was leaving. But on the other hand, when they let first Peeples go, they didn't say anything either.

I actually like that. I'd love it if "comings and goings" and "story previews for the next week" or "next month" or "next quarter" would DISAPPEAR. Until they do, I will follow them relentlessly :-).

It may be LIKE PEEPLES, they are undecided. Peeples herself thought she was fired...and then they brought her back. So, I could see them "resting" the character, but keeping the actor on a leash (with $$) for a little while as they continue to plot new story.

That is actually a mark of a good regime. While they are planning, they keep their options open. A regime that PLANS at Y&R would be a much-welcomed addition.

On this note, Y&R has made TWO history gaffes lately. The obvious one is the vasectomy. But jaie at Usenet has reminded us THAT THERE IS NO STOCK FOR USERS TO BUY UP at Jabot. It's a very long story...but there has been no common stock floating out there. This is TOTAL INVENTION to give Gloria her next storyline. That writing team needs a GOOD history consultant PRONTO, or they're going to keep p*ssing off viewers.

I am going to quote jaie's original post from here:

Okay, I've been stewing about this for a few weeks now, and I guess I'll just have to break my silence and say something. Are the writers really serious about pretending that Jabot is still a public company?!!!

It is not and has not been since Victor gobbled up 51% of the company on the open market, with the Abbots owning the remaining 49%. It's been a private company ever since!

Sure, shares have traded hands behind closed doors since then, but pretty much all of the shares have been held by the same few folks we know and love/hate. After the Jack/Brad/Michael coup, Jabot was owned 100% by the Abbots (with Victor holding Jabot's debt and the threat of taking the company back if Jabot didn't make its payments). Jabot issued shares to Brad and Nikki, who each invested $35 million while Victor was trying to drive Jabot under and take it over again. When Victor was on the verge of success, Chancellor bought controlling interest (I don't know the actual number, but we can assume Katherine insisted on at least 51%). Since then, Jack was pushed out of the company, but he retained his ownership. The Chancellor stake has been sold to House of Kim/Jack and then back again to Chancellor. Nikki, wanting to fund NVP, sold her shares to Chancellor or Katherine (increasing her controlling percentage), and Brad, trying to get rid of his conflict with Newman and get a seat on the Newman board, sold his shares to Victor. With John Abbot's death, his shares would have been distributed among his heirs, Jack, Ashley, Tracy and Billy. Gloria might have been entitled to half, but it sounds like she took an all-cash deal instead and then blew it all on charities. Of course, the writers can just pretend she was silent about her shares all along and that the $50 million she spent didn't include Jabot stock. That would be a stretch considering how low she fell, and even Jill wouldn't be relegating a stockholder to the receptionist's desk.

Regardless, there aren't shares available to the public to buy, so the stock price shouldn't be fluctuating on any stock market or anywhere else. Maybe, hypothetically, Jabot secretly went public again and issued hundreds of thousands of shares without ever telling anyone. But Victor probably would have just bought up all those shares again himself, say when the face-cream scandal hit and Jabot was at rock bottom. Even if Jabot did, I refuse to believe that Chancellor would have allowed enough shares to go on the public market to risk losing its controlling interest. Everyone learned that lesson from Jack's initial mistake more than 20 years ago.

So this RIDICULOUS storyline with Gloria ____ Fisher Baldwin Abbott Bardwell Bardwell Bardwell (she married Jeffrey twice) trying to buy controlling interest in Jabot doesn't pass the smell test!!!

And no amount of pretending that Jabot had its vascectomy reversed and didn't tell anyone is going to cut it!!

Jaie

Edited August 4, 200817 yr by MarkH

^Also, when Chloe suggested that Amber should get pregnant to keep Daniel, they failed to mention that Amber can't have children. Wouldn't Frantz remember something like that and tell someone about that or something? It would be weird if suddenly she was able to have children.

But, obviously, from Victor's vasectomy example, actors don't have much to say about it.

Edited August 4, 200817 yr by dmarex

^Also, when Chloe suggested that Amber should get pregnant to keep Daniel, they failed to mention that Amber can't have children. Wouldn't Frantz remember something like that and tell someone about that or something? It would be weird if suddenly she was able to have children.

I thought the same thing! But, Amber didn't say she COULD have children...she just sort of got out of that line of discussion.

They remembered Amber's addiction...so they better remember her infertility. Also, she has only one kidney (gave the other to Rick)...so she should not be drunk so much.

On that note...Kyle Lowder on B&B is shirtless a lot. I don't see a kidney scar. And he never mentions rejection problems or transplant issues to his aunt Katie, struggling with her new heart. Or to Felicia, struggling with her new liver.

Sigh.

Edited August 4, 200817 yr by MarkH