This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

Family Guy clip.

OK, let's go with this:

How can anyone be Undecided at this late date? I am continually astounded. Is it a cry for attention? Ashamed of who you're voting for? I Just Don't Get It.

Do you know any Undecideds? What do they say?

I sometimes don't know who I will vote for even the night before. But I do know who I won't be voting for. But then again we have more than 2 people and/or 2 parties to chose from.

Yeah, I think it's time to get the discussion rolling. Toups, that family guy clip was hilarious!! I kind of thought they would go somewhere else at first with it, but it was funny just the way it was.

Mornin' y'all.

Biden has said many stupid things. Obama's "spread the wealth around" was not too bright.

I believe this will cost him. Not the election, but it's enough of a lifeline for the McCain campaign to run with for a few days. And they have already started it.

The McCain campaign throwing around the word "Socialist" based on this statement is enough to scare some voters into ticking the box next to his name. It's sad we've come to this - where one word can sway voters - but it's true.

OK, let's go with this:

How can anyone be Undecided at this late date? I am continually astounded. Is it a cry for attention? Ashamed of who you're voting for? I Just Don't Get It.

Do you know any Undecideds? What do they say?

My neighbor is undecided. She said it was because she thought her health care costs would go up under Obama. I talked with her a little while about his plan, but who knows if it swayed her. And the neighbors across the street usually vote Republican, but have said they aren't voting this year. Dunno why. They were surprised when we put out Obama yard signs up because (according to her) "You boys seem so conservative". I guess she pictured two gay guys throwing orgies 24 hours a day or something?!?! Anyway....

A friend emailed me this. It's good for a laugh!

McCain / Obama Dance-Off

A friend emailed me this. It's good for a laugh!

McCain / Obama Dance-Off

The funniest part of that video was The End when you-know-who comes out to play.

I'm glad you could take time out from your orgies to grace us with this lighthearted video.

Where my Dems at tonight?

Or Casey? Brian?

Independents?

Socialists?

Sorry.

I'm late getting in from my Communist Worker's Party meeting.

So, what's up?

Ohio just went to Leaning Obama on the Real Clear Map!!! YES!

(give it a coupla days...this too shall pass)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ma...bama_vs_mccain/

Mornin' y'all.

I believe this will cost him. Not the election, but it's enough of a lifeline for the McCain campaign to run with for a few days. And they have already started it.

The McCain campaign throwing around the word "Socialist" based on this statement is enough to scare some voters into ticking the box next to his name. It's sad we've come to this - where one word can sway voters - but it's true.

My neighbor is undecided. She said it was because she thought her health care costs would go up under Obama. I talked with her a little while about his plan, but who knows if it swayed her. And the neighbors across the street usually vote Republican, but have said they aren't voting this year. Dunno why. They were surprised when we put out Obama yard signs up because (according to her) "You boys seem so conservative". I guess she pictured two gay guys throwing orgies 24 hours a day or something?!?! Anyway....

A friend emailed me this. It's good for a laugh!

McCain / Obama Dance-Off

Damn, Greg.

Don't make me laugh that hard this early in the morning.

From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Carrie Dann

*** Swing states swinging to Obama: Most of the national polls -- including our NBC/WSJ survey -- are now showing Obama with a double-digit national lead. And here come a slew of brand-new state polls that also suggest Obama is in command of this presidential contest. The University of Wisconsin’s Big Ten Battleground polls have Obama up 10 points in Indiana (51%-41%), 13 points in Iowa (52%-39%), 22 in Michigan (58%-36%), 19 in Minnesota (57%-38%), 12 in Ohio (53%-41%), 11 in Pennsylvania (52%-41%), 13 in Wisconsin (53%-40%), and nearly 30 in Obama’s home state of Illinois (61%-32%). Meanwhile, there are new Quinnipiac surveys that show Obama up five points in Florida (49%-44%), 14 in Ohio (52%-38%), and 13 in Pennsylvania (53%-40%). And finally, new CNN/Time surveys find Obama ahead by five points among likely voters in Nevada (51%-46%), four points in North Carolina (51%-47%), four in Ohio (50%-46%), and 10 points in Virginia (54%-44%). The lone state survey that shows McCain ahead: CNN/Time’s West Virginia poll, where McCain’s nine (53%-44%).

I'm glad you could take time out from your orgies to grace us with this lighthearted video.

Hey, NP. We needed a rest!

Sorry.

I'm late getting in from my Communist Worker's Party meeting.

So, what's up?

Damn, Greg.

Don't make me laugh that hard this early in the morning.

From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Carrie Dann

*** Swing states swinging to Obama: Most of the national polls -- including our NBC/WSJ survey -- are now showing Obama with a double-digit national lead. And here come a slew of brand-new state polls that also suggest Obama is in command of this presidential contest. The University of Wisconsin’s Big Ten Battleground polls have Obama up 10 points in Indiana (51%-41%), 13 points in Iowa (52%-39%), 22 in Michigan (58%-36%), 19 in Minnesota (57%-38%), 12 in Ohio (53%-41%), 11 in Pennsylvania (52%-41%), 13 in Wisconsin (53%-40%), and nearly 30 in Obama’s home state of Illinois (61%-32%). Meanwhile, there are new Quinnipiac surveys that show Obama up five points in Florida (49%-44%), 14 in Ohio (52%-38%), and 13 in Pennsylvania (53%-40%). And finally, new CNN/Time surveys find Obama ahead by five points among likely voters in Nevada (51%-46%), four points in North Carolina (51%-47%), four in Ohio (50%-46%), and 10 points in Virginia (54%-44%). The lone state survey that shows McCain ahead: CNN/Time’s West Virginia poll, where McCain’s nine (53%-44%).

Good Morning, buddy. Ya know, I try not to pay too much attention to polls, but crapola! This is hard not to take into consideration when the point spread is this far apart, ain't it?

I wasn't going to post this article, but there are some quotes that just made me scratch my head in a "WTF??" moment.

McCain battles Palin backlash

They are primarily discussing her wardrobe issue. Here are a few head-scratchers....

McCain aides dismissed the story, first reported by Politico, as of little significance in a period of financial and foreign crises. But some senior Republicans in Washington expressed concern that the disclosure could undercut her image as a "hockey mom" who can relate to ordinary citizens. "Voters are more worried about the economy," said McCain adviser Mark Salter, dismissing the suggestion that Palin had become a drag on the ticket. "She generates big crowds," he said. "She generates excitement everywhere she goes."

Voters are more worried about the economy, you're right, Mr. Salter. So why is your campaign spending all it's time talking about Ayers and ACORN and calling Sen. Obama "risky"??

Several GOP sources expressed anger about the damage the clothing story was likely to do to the ticket, coming just as the campaign is making its closing argument by employing "Joe the Plumber" in an appeal to average Americans. "That's what grates me. We're the party that talks about looking out for the little guy," said one top Virginia Republican, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly about the GOP ticket. "Then something like that pops. It smacks of being hypocritical."

I have no words for this idiotic statement. GOP = Looking out for the "little guy"?? GMAMFB!

At the rally this afternoon at a local high school, Palin demonstrated her populist touch as she called out to country singer Gretchen Wilson, who performed her hit song "Redneck Woman" before the GOP ticket took the stage. "I need to get your autograph before we leave," Palin told Wilson. "Someone called me a "redneck woman" once, and you know what I said back? 'Why, thank you.' "

Is she serious?!?!? She's proud of being called a redneck?!?!? Let's check that out in the dictionary, shall we?

red·neck /ˈrɛdˌnɛk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[red-nek] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation Informal: Often Disparaging.

–noun

1. an uneducated white farm laborer, esp. from the South.

2. a bigot or reactionary, esp. from the rural working class. –adjective

3. Also, red-necked. narrow, prejudiced, or reactionary: a redneck attitude.

This woman could be President if McCain kicks the bucket, and she's proud of being uneducated and prejudiced?

<sigh>

Edited October 23, 200817 yr by Greg's GL

Republicans Voting for Obama: In Their Own Words

There are a number of people in my life -- some family, some friends, some colleagues -- with whom I have never agreed upon anything political. Ever. These are my political opposites. My bizarre-o twins. And they have been my adversaries in countless debates; the kind nobody ever wins, but nobody ever seems to tire of, either.

Sadly, politics have become sort of a new sports league in modern culture. We don't really listen to each other's points of view so much as we pick a side and root for it. And just as with our favorite sports teams, our faith in our parties can become blind. I have had about as much success convincing my Republican father-in-law of my liberal points of view as I have had convincing my father, an Ohio State alumnus, to root for Michigan.

But over the last few months, something unprecedented has happened. Almost all these folks have told me that, for the first time ever, they are voting for the same candidate I am: Barack Obama.

Now, these are not casual conservatives. These are people who, each in their own way, are deeply committed to their conservative beliefs. For most, this will be the first time they have voted for a Democrat in their entire lives. And when taken as a whole, they represent a fair cross section of the Republican Party. Some younger, some older. Some fiscally driven, some culturally driven. But almost all, up until now, have been intractable. Yet here we all are, staring down the barrel of a remarkably nasty presidential election, all in a rare moment of agreement. I figured this simply could not be an anomaly. Perhaps this was a groundswell.

I started asking around and found a number of my liberal friends were having a similar experience. So we asked these folks if they would appear on camera and share with the world why they changed. It seemed to me that the most convincing argument a conservative on the fence could hear might not come from a liberal, or even from Obama himself, but instead, from one of their own; a conservative who had crossed over. So we turned on the camera, and they did the rest.

I fully expected the results to be compelling and convincing. And they are. What I didn't expect was the emotional wallop these unscripted interviews deliver. A combination of deep disillusionment with the last eight years, disappointment in John McCain's candidacy, and an undeniable draw to Obama brought these people to a political decision that was deeply personal and courageous. It became clear to me that these were more than interviews. These were confessions.

This is what democracy is supposed to be. These people actually listened, considered and were open to the possibility of change. They didn't support a candidate. They actually chose one. And while I'm happy this year they are voting for "my team," they also inspired me to be more open in my own political life.

I thought we were making an ad campaign about Obama. But I think we ended up making an ad campaign about the essential ingredient that makes democracy work: an open mind. We don't belong to our political parties. Our political parties belong to us.

Go to www.ConservativesForChange.com to see all of the videos.

http://www.conservativesforchange.com/

Edited October 23, 200817 yr by Roman

ITA...the only downside is that on November 5th the 2012 Presidential election begins.

I know, I know. That is the absolute truth. :lol:

As the candidates spin, here is the new definition of elite (which is more like my definition of a snob):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553

It's almost kind of funny that Palin's wardrobe is getting more media attention than the McCain-Palin interview with Brian Williams. Except for some mention of their "tense" body language, there doesn't seem to be much interest in it at all.

I may be one of the few people that doesn't have a problem with Obama saying anything about spreading the wealth. I'm starting to believe that I live in a country where everything the Republicans say is terrible is deemed terrible whether it is or not. I fully expect them one day to come out and declare Harmony and Unity horrible socialist principles while Democrats sit around gasp, mildly protest and then proceed to avoid using the words.

As far as I am concerned, the GOP tends to be very predatory in nature and they continually operate from a position of power, regardless of their position in reality. They are successful at this because Democrats tend to operate from a position of weakness, doubt, and anxiety. I know there are some tough Democrats out there but they are outnumbered by the ones who buy into any ridiculous thing the Republicans say and I think there are times when Republicans are fully aware that they may be saying ridiculous things but they count on the fact that Democrats will run scared....which works more often than not.

I watched Pat Buchanan on Hardball the other day, talking about who is un-American. His only three examples were Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, and Father Phlegar (and I don't even get the inclusion of Phlegar). No one challenged him on that. Now there is that evangelical Hagee and some other "conservatives" including the AIP leader who wanted secession for Alaska that he could have mentioned but they didn't serve his purpose. Now part of the reason he and other Republicans are able to get away with this is because Democrats are afraid of being seen as supporting these people's views if they offer any sort of rebuttal. But I know I would have questioned the definition of un-American anyway. When you sit by and let one group of people dictate the rules then you give them way too much power.

This country has a progressive tax rate not a flat rate. The bottom line is that the wealth, so to speak, is being spread. Obama is not planning some revolutionary idea.....from what I understand, he wants to roll back the taxes on people who make over $250,000 to the rate under Clinton.