This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

What did ask about the death penalty? I must have missed that.

Stupid-ass article? Why are all of you becoming so militant? Your man is in the lead...

Well I wasn't. I said he should have known better. How is that condoning it?

I shouldn't have tried to defend him on that like Roman asked me...I should have seen it as a baited challenge (which is was)..Oh well..

First of all, you weren't "baited" into anything. Congrats on picking up on Palin-speak, though.

I'll repeat myself again in relation to the death penalty. I responded with that point after you posted an article saying the Vatican called the Democratic party some off-color name. You said that they were "tried and convicted" as justification for this policy.

I asked you what happens when an innocent person is convicted. It happens all the time, don't you agree with that? Anyone could get an unfair trial, specifically when a minority defendant is facing a jury not of his/her peers, but one that could be racially biased. That's one example of someone getting an unfair trial. Which brings me to this. In all his years as govenor, why didn't GWB give at least one person the benefit of the doubt? If he, and the Republican party, truly believe in a "culture of life" then this would have been the first thing he would have done.

If I remember correctly, there was a Republican govenor up north a few years ago, that rescinded all death penalties because he said there was no way to tell who received a fair trial and who didn't. That's a Republican that I could get behind.

Did John McCain call his brother brilliant? That the rationale I was using with Ifill and her cousin..

What specifically are you talking about? "complete and utter---spews from pie holes'? I don't know that you are talking about..

Ugh. Do you think John McCain is an idiot? If he isn't then why does he have his brother out on the campaign trail for him, on his behalf, saying things like this?

And let's see....."communists", "terrorist", "gook". Need I go on? These are words members of your party have said throughout this election season.

Edited October 7, 200817 yr by Greg's GL

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Casey, since it seems that you want to talk about this bullshit instead of trying to defend McCain's record, let me post this for everyone's reading pleasure:

Book Excerpt: “'I hate the gooks,’ said John McCain in the year 2000. ‘I will hate them as long as I live.’ It reveals something when a senator calls people ‘gooks’ and volunteers it for mass media broadcast… The fact that Mr. McCain carries such everlasting hate within him – that says something too.

Read above...I took this as a challenge to "defend McCain's record"...How about you Roman? What did you mean by addressing me personally and then say I do other things instead of "defend McCain's record"...

Baited..challenge..

You were ready to jump on anything I said...explaining why McCain said what he said...

I stand by my comments. McCain should have known better, BUT I can see why he would say he hates the Viet Kong.

First of all, you weren't "baited" into anything. Congrats on picking up on Palin-speak, though.

I'll repeat myself again in relation to the death penalty. I responded with that point after you posted an article saying the Vatican called the Democratic party some off-color name. You said that they were "tried and convicted" as justification for this policy.

I asked you what happens when an innocent person is convicted. It happens all the time, don't you agree with that? Anyone could get an unfair trial, specifically when a minority defendant is facing a jury not of his/her peers, but one that could be racially biased. That's one example of someone getting an unfair trial. Which brings me to this. In all his years as govenor, why didn't GWB give at least one person the benefit of the doubt? If he, and the Republican party, truly believe in a "culture of life" then this would have been the first thing he would have done.

If I remember correctly, there was a Republican govenor up north a few years ago, that rescinded all death penalties because he said there was no way to tell who received a fair trial and who didn't. That's a Republican that I could get behind.

I favor capital punishment. Our legal system may be imperfect, but I still think extreme murderers should be put to death.

Are you saying that no one should be put to death? Do you have a solution to ensuring everyone has a "fair trial"?

Ugh. Do you think John McCain is an idiot? If he does, why does he have him out on the campaign trail for him?

And let's see....."communists", "terrorist", "gook". Need I go on? These are words members of your party have said throughout this election season.

I haven't even heard of John McCain's brother...or anything communist about him..Where are you getting this info?

Who has said "gook" throughout this election? You are losing me there...

Read above...I took this as a challenge to "defend McCain's record"...How about you Roman? What did you mean by addressing me personally and then say I do other things instead of "defend McCain's record"...

Baited..challenge..

You were ready to jump on anything I said...explaining why McCain said what he said...

I stand by my comments. McCain should have known better, BUT I can see why he would say he hates the Viet Kong.

My God In Heaven.

Wow.

I posted this, Casey......

What a minute. Why am I explaining anything to you?! Youw ere the one who said it was ok for him to be racist, you RIGHTFULLY got blasted for it, after posting a response, but it's my damn fault?!

No wonder you back McCain! He can't take responsibility for anything either.

Damn.

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Oh, that is good.

My God In Heaven.

Wow.

I posted this, Casey......

What a minute. Why am I explaining anything to you?! Youw ere the one who said it was ok for him to be racist, you RIGHTFULLY got blasted for it, after posting a response, but it's my damn fault?!

No wonder you back McCain! He can't take responsibility for anything either.

Damn.

You posted it as a baited challenge! That's why you wont explain!

I never said it was ok for him to be racist!

sheeeesh!! I need a break from all of you!

Would you all rather I left this thread..so as to allow you to pat each other on the backs...Not very interesting if you ask me, but ...I'm not going to continue to take this crap.

I'm not a bigot and I did not condone McCain's use of gook.

Not that it matters to you but maybe the next person might be interested.....I'm not sure whether you are a bigot or not simply because of the things you've expressed about me to me.

I tend to think that you are more misguided and less bigoted but since I'm just basing that on your posts, I could be way off the mark.

When you think that a person has to be black in order to say that another person is being persecuted because he/she is black, then it comes across as bigoted but at a minimum it's backwards.

And because I said this:

I'm not holding myself out to be an expert so it's merely my observation that you've also demonstrated racial insenstivity. My observation stems from your needing to negate what I said on the basis of race. For you to assume that the only reason to defend someone.....no matter how vigorously you think it might be... is merely because the person may be of the same race reflects an ignorant and short sighted assumption.

I realize that this may sound like a personal insult. I don't mean it as an insult. I mean for you to take it into consideration that maybe there's a bit of truth in what I've said and maybe it could help in your interaction with others. I try to learn from others as well and I respect your right to your opinions whether or not I agree with them.

You decided that the solution was for me to learn how to be more sensitive to white people because you clearly couldn't have contributed in any way to the issue:

You might want to learn how to deal with whites a little more cautiously in the future if your intent is to improve race relations. You cannot make broad general accusations of racism towards an entire news channel or a group of people just becuase they question a black woman. Give me a break.. You were NOT right in doing so..I dont care how many people defend you on that!

Hmmmm.....how could anyone even entertain the thought that you might be a bigot?

I don't think anyone really cares whether you leave this thread or not and considering you've threatened to befor.....who's going to believe you will anyway....really?

Man, Virginia went for Dole in 1996. That is a Republican state! I still give Va and NC to McCain this election. It would be something, however, if Obama carried at least one of them.

And I just levitated out of my chair. You right Casey. We are just a bunch of mean " Ol' Librals". You do need a break. You deserve a break. Take your time.

I favor capital punishment. Our legal system may be imperfect, but I still think extreme murderers should be put to death.

Are you saying that no one should be put to death? Do you have a solution to ensuring everyone has a "fair trial"?

I haven't even heard of John McCain's brother...or anything communist about him..Where are you getting this info?

Who has said "gook" throughout this election? You are losing me there...

I stand corrected on the "gook" word being used in this election. Joe McCain didn't call himself a communist. He called people in Northern VA communists. There was an article posted earlier today. And then we have the "terrorist" bullshit being said by Palin. Do you see any of this crap coming from the Democrats? Any name-calling? Nope.

I'm saying that throughout GWB's term as governor, he never felt there was one person that deserved to be spared. This coming from a man that says he believes in a "culture of life". This coming from a party that moved heaven and earth to help Schiavo here in Florida before helping someone on death row.

I am torn on the death penalty. I have some ideas on how to help people have a fair trial. The first would be to ensure that everyone has a jury seated of their peers, and one that would start as sympathetic to the defendant, not the prosecution. This would help to uphold that civil right "innocent until proven guilty". If you stack a jury full of people sympathetic to the state, then what conclusion would you expect?

Secondly, racial bias of any type would have to be removed from the jury pool.

However, the disparity in sentencing between African-Americans and Caucasion needs to be addressed. How is it that the minorities have the largest presence in prison? Doesn't that raise your eyebrows a little?

Edited October 7, 200817 yr by Greg's GL

"It's not country first when a candidate prioritizes culturally divisive tactics over the economic needs of the people"

- Alex from Virginia

Sent in from MSNBC

How right he is.

Would you all rather I left this thread..so as to allow you to pat each other on the backs...Not very interesting if you ask me, but ...I'm not going to continue to take this crap.

I'm not a bigot and I did not condone McCain's use of gook.

1. I have never gave a [!@#$%^&*] what you did.

2. WTF are you defending or not defending? You have no problem with him calling the Viet Cong "gooks" and now you say you did not condone his use of the word.

You should have gotten a job with his campaign. Nobody there can stay on message either.

I stand corrected on the "gook" word being used in this election. Joe McCain didn't call himself a communist. He called people in Northern VA communists. There was an article posted earlier today. And then we have the "terrorist" bullshit being said by Palin. Do you see any of this crap coming from the Democrats? Any name-calling? Nope.

I'm saying that throught GWB's term as governor, he never felt there was one person that deserved to be spared. This coming from a man that says he believes in a "culture of life". This coming from a party that moved heaven and earth to help Schiavo here in Florida before helping someone on death row.

I am torn on the death penalty. I have some ideas on how to help people have a fair trial. The first would be to ensure that everyone has a jury seated of their peers, and one that would start as sympathetic to the defendant, not the prosecution. This would help to uphold that civil right "innocent until proven guilty". If you stack a jury full of people sympathetic to the state, then what conclusion would you expect?

Secondly, racial bias of any type would have to be removed from the jury pool.

However, the disparity in sentencing between African-Americans and Caucasion needs to be addressed. How is it that the minorities have the largest presence in prison? Doesn't that raise your eyebrows a little?

I bow to you.

*Pats GGL on the back*

Not that it matters to you but maybe the next person might be interested.....I'm not sure whether you are a bigot or not simply because of the things you've expressed about me to me.

I tend to think that you are more misguided and less bigoted but since I'm just basing that on your posts, I could be way off the mark.

When you think that a person has to be black in order to say that another person is being persecuted because he/she is black, then it comes across as bigoted but at a minimum it's backwards.

And because I said this:

You decided that the solution was for me to learn how to be more sensitive to white people because you clearly couldn't have contributed in any way to the issue:

Hmmmm.....how could anyone even entertain the thought that you might be a bigot?

I don't think anyone really cares whether you leave this thread or not and considering you've threatened to befor.....who's going to believe you will anyway....really?

Amazing.

You can't call out FN or white people........but it's fine for JM to use racist language to describe an entire race.

What BS.

I stand corrected on the "gook" word being used in this election. Joe McCain didn't call himself a communist. He called people in Northern VA communists. There was an article posted earlier today. And then we have the "terrorist" bullshit being said by Palin. Do you see any of this crap coming from the Democrats? Any name-calling? Nope.

I'm saying that throughout GWB's term as governor, he never felt there was one person that deserved to be spared. This coming from a man that says he believes in a "culture of life". This coming from a party that moved heaven and earth to help Schiavo here in Florida before helping someone on death row.

I am torn on the death penalty. I have some ideas on how to help people have a fair trial. The first would be to ensure that everyone has a jury seated of their peers, and one that would start as sympathetic to the defendant, not the prosecution. This would help to uphold that civil right "innocent until proven guilty". If you stack a jury full of people sympathetic to the state, then what conclusion would you expect?

Secondly, racial bias of any type would have to be removed from the jury pool.

However, the disparity in sentencing between African-Americans and Caucasion needs to be addressed. How is it that the minorities have the largest presence in prison? Doesn't that raise your eyebrows a little?

GGL, I don't mean to belittle your post since you've thought about this and all but you're defending the wrong people and you need to be more sensitive to white people

I'm working my way up to threatening to leave on the basis that the fires I'm setting are burning me and you people clearly don't understand jack....