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I disagree. Palin steals the thunder from Obama's change mantra. She is a great outsider pick, because McCain has the experience, it is not needed from his VP.

We'll see about her attracting women voters. Only time will tell.

Please read these notes from Neal Boortz. He eloquently conveys a lot of what I have been trying to say about Obama.

Especially the part about taxing small businesses.

http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html

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McCain's got a very poor temperment to be head of our military or country. This unheard of woman is a poor choice for VP, and is pure trying to woo Hillary Clinton's very few crazed supporters (since the media's overplayed that crap) who don't want Obama. McCain proves how poor his choices are. Also imho, this woman shows what a poor mother she is by running for VP when she has a newborn special needs child and 4 other children as well. Joe Biden is a billion times more capable of being VP over this pitiful mother.

McCain FLIP-FLOPS AGAIN. He's been so hypocritical talking about Barack Obama's experience and picks this woman just because she's a woman basically and too woo some of Hillary's few crazed supportes who don't want to vote for Barack Obama (if there are any more).

Check mate on LOSING. LMFAO. :P

:rolleyes: Nope we won't. Go McCain? I thought you supported Obama/Biden. Yeah Go McCain, right to the losers line and the retirement home. I think this Sarah Palin person is a pitiful choice for VP and she's a poor mother for doing so, especially given the fact she has a newborn with Down's Syndrome. McCain's also stupid as hell to pick her since her adminstration is under investigation.

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I don't want to be presumptuous about what you mean here since I don't how you're applying the term change. Since he's the one running for president then I don't think she steals any thunder from him at all in terms of change whether especially if you mean change in the way Washington does business unless you think she's going to be another version of Dick Cheney and seize power.

I'm not the one rattling on about the importance of experience. Last time I checked, the only way a person could gain experience at being a president is to actually be president. Being a back up might help in terms of preparation but that's about it and I don't recall McCain being a back up. Now if you mean sitting in the senate for whatever period of time makes him qualified then he's on par with Joe Biden but that is neither here nor there with me. My thing is it is awfully hypocritical of him to knock Obama on lack of experience and then turn around and pick someone who is also inexperienced. At least Obama picked someone who is more capable of jumping into the job now.

To be clear, I didn't say that she wouldn't attract women voters. I am pretty certain she will. It's up in the air as to whether she will attract women voters who are pro-abortion rights since she is against abortion. Even though I recognize the ploy, I have no issue with McCain selecting her but he does need to keep his mouth shut about experience since he went that route.

Thanks but I'll pass on this. Taxes are never going to be my issue since I know they're going to come regardless. I live in a state that enacted a temporary sales tax to pay for earthquake damage and that tax still lives on since temporary really meant forever. Now the Democrats have offered up a solution to the budget stalemate of a one cent three year sales tax. They can take my pennies and stop pretending that they're going to stop in a few years.

Realistically they have to raise money somehow. It's not about the taxing for me as it is about the mismanagement. Cut out the fat and run the government like an efficient multinational instead of so ineptly and there wouldn't be these constant crises.

This is kind of a tough call for me because I do agree that she should put her children before her career and it isn't as easy to relate to a mother who seems not to do that. I'm sure people will empathize with her and people will have the same criticisms you have of her. But when you're talking newborn then I'm going to have to go with the baby.

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I disagree that she's a poor mother because she was selected to be VP. We don't know her home situation, we don't know anything about how she cares for her child with special needs or her other children. It is possible to be a government official or run for office while caring for a child with special needs.

I work for government and I'm friends with our former mayor (who will be mayor again) who ran a brilliant campaign while also caring for his daughter who had a degenerative disease and form of autism. His enemies tried to paint him and his wife as bad people because in their eyes, weren't spending the "proper" time at home. I kinda take offense to that statement Mulder so if it seems as if I'm being harsh I'm not. I don't mean for it to come across that way.

I do support Obama/Biden, but I also give credit to McCain (though I disagree with his choice, the same way I initially disagreed with Obama's) for choosing this woman. I can support one side over the other, but still have respect and admire the choices they other makes.

I've said before, I consider myself a centrist. I've vote for who I feel is the better candidate who has ideals that I can support. Though I do tend to lean more Democrat than Republican, I've voted for Republicans in the past and will continue to do so when I feel necessary.

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He went to the base. She is a ultra-conservative, and I really hope that is enough. But, if the campiagn thinks that she will get the female vote just because she's a woman.......I think they have fallen very short. She does bring a energy know-how to the ticket, but her stances on abortion rights is clear. Plus, nobody but the people in Alaska know her. The same argument that the McCain campiagn has made that no one knows Obama goes out the window with this pick.

And........experience? How can he in his right mind talk about Obama's lack of experience and choose someone with as much or less them Obama? I don'ts ee how this argument can still be made.

In a election year where you need to cross over to Independents and moderate Republicans who are socially in the center, this is just not a good pick at all, IMO.

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^^I agree Roman.

He will get some of those hard core Hillary people who were going to vote him any ways because they are upset she didn't get the nomination but I think most will see right through this as a lame attempt at trying to grab them with a female running mate. There are much better female candidates in this country to pick over this woman.

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She is limited in experiance, however where she lacks he picks up. Much like where Obama lacks experiance his mate has a good amount.

as for people unfairly judging her as a parent, Ryan said it better than i ever could.

I think she is an intersting choice. I will have to find out more about her because a few hours is far to short to judge a person. for me anyways...

I do not think they picked her just because she is a womana nd they think hilarys woman will just flock to her. I think he picked an intersting choice that seems to stand her ground and isnt one to back down. A person to seems to step up and take charge and make change when its needed. Someone who has taken on just not 'the other side' but her own side as well.

I do think she will attract some woman just because she is a woman just like obama will attract some of his own race just because and mccain will attract older people just because he is as well. some people will vote for those reasons alone just like they will not for someone based on those reasons alone. if you do or dont vote for someone on superficial reasons alone its wrong. all around. and i think people need to resurch all of these people and see where they fall.

and i must admit, as someone who does that its so hard. because everyone seems to have a baised to one side or the other. im not either side, and i dont plan on it. i wish there was a site or outlet that just showed the facts and let me chose and form my own thoguhts instead of stearing me twords one or the other. (and no, im hoenstly not talking about people in this thread because yall go back and fourth and discuss the facts and i learn a lot as well following every link posted and reading more and more... dam its a lot of work to decide who to vote for)

I really think they are both on equal ground now. McCain having someone without too much experiance and young. Obama with someone with more experaince than him. I think its time to let the age and experiance thing go for the most part because at this point i think just about everyone knows how old everyone is and the experiance they have. I think its time to start talking about not the stance they have but the PLAN they have. Because i can goe tiher way even tho i am leaving twords McCain for several reasons.

I do have one question for everyone. I reg to vote as an indie. When i went to vote for the primary or whatever a few months ago they said i cant vote for the reblicns unless i am a reg republicin. is that bulshit and they r whack or the truth? does the same stand for the pres election? (and also, im sorry if there r more typos and bad spelling in this post because i just worked all night and am not feeling well. so sorry)

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I think what you are asking is if you have to declare a party in the general election. You do not. The Primaries you do but the general election you do not. That is why I don't vote in the Primary because I don't want to declare a party because I prefer to stay moderate and look at issues over checking only a box because of their party.

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I think you pick someone who can be president if need be.

And, to now say that the experience issue is now off the table when it is all we heard about Obama is rather odd, IMO.

If they think she will appeal to HRC people, and conservative men who have their own ideas about what a woman should and should not do (not saying there are liberal men who don't) and after hearing what some of the right-wing talking heads have said about women (Rush Limbaugh in particular) I just have to ask where did this pick come from.

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