Worse than that, he had the nerve to pretend to be shocked when Erica brought Miranda to the hospital and annonced that she was alive.

One would think that while berating Erica for trying to have Greenlee commited, Joe wouldn't turn right around and do the same thing to Ritchie because Ryan wanted it. But then, one would have to think that Joe wasn't a flaming hypocrite to believe he would act beyond his situational ethics.

Not only that but didn't he help Tad and Jamie have Adam committed against his will just earlier this year as well..........

Edited December 11, 200718 yr by Zendall Fan

I cant stand to watch Zach/Greenlee. Ive been FF through them the past few days

This whole ish is so bad I had to switch to Days & Y&R, but you know it's bad when you switch from one whiner(GreenME) to another (Globag)

Sad when the ONLY good part about today was Zach telling GreenME "what do I do to make you SHUT UP" and Uncle Josh with Erica

Sad when the ONLY good part about today was Zach telling GreenME "what do I do to make you SHUT UP"

too bad I missed that but I honestly can not stand to watch them anymore. Its the same sh*t everyday

I forgot to add that I loved the erica/josh bonding scenes today,I'm surprised the writers remembered they are related and usually when they are in scenes together it doesn't last long. I hope this scene indicates more josh/erica bonding moments because thats actually a storyline I could look forward to. An I FF anything to do with greenme and zach, I like zach but I can't take greenme's whining. The Laverys/montgomerys are FF every week, I like lily but I can only tolerate her when shes with the slater/kane family. An I definantly won't be watching when kendall and mumbles bump uglies if thats still a go.

Edited December 11, 200718 yr by EricaKane70

I also think its pretty sad and pathetic what they are doing with Erica having her obsess over Jack and grovel for his love and attention when he clearly does not want her anymore. He pretty much spits on her everytime they interact and she goes back crawling for more as if the little attention no matter how negative it is keeps her going on. It doesnt help that people like Josh are encouraging her to fight but I wish she'd swallow her pride, take what little self respect and dignity she has left and move on. She's Erica Kane. Men chase after her, NOT the other way around. She is a diva and she needs to start acting like one instead of being so needy. The writing for Erica is absolutely horrendous

I also think its pretty sad and pathetic what they are doing with Erica having her obsess over Jack and grovel for his love and attention when he clearly does not want her anymore. He pretty much spits on her everytime they interact and she goes back crawling for more as if the little attention no matter how negative it is keeps her going on. It doesnt help that people like Josh are encouraging her to fight but I wish she'd swallow her pride, take what little self respect and dignity she has left and move on. She's Erica Kane. Men chase after her, NOT the other way around. She is a diva and she needs to start acting like one instead of being so needy. The writing for Erica is absolutely horrendous

ITA. But knowing erica she won't get it through her head that jack doesn't want her until she see's jack actually moving on. In defense of josh though erica didn't tell him the whole story about jack telling her he didn't love her anymore, I don't know if he would of been encouraging erica to go after jack if he knew that part of it. It pissed me off that Jack didn't call erica about lily, erica actually cares for lily.I'm ready for her new man 2008, I'm so sick of jack let kungfu julia have him.lol

Edited December 11, 200718 yr by EricaKane70

This whole ish is so bad I had to switch to Days & Y&R, but you know it's bad when you switch from one whiner(GreenME) to another (Globag)

Sad when the ONLY good part about today was Zach telling GreenME "what do I do to make you SHUT UP" and Uncle Josh with Erica

He's probably just looking for another excuse to kiss her.

I find it hard to believe Richie is sane. He's trying to kill people left and right including himself, which is usually enough to get people sent to the funny farm, so I think comparing Joe and Erica's actions a stretch. It was pretty obvious that Greenlee had no intentions of hurting anyone. The only evil plan she had to come after Kendull's brats were in Kendall's head. In fact, Kendall was the one acting nuts for awhile there.

I thought Proteus started out ok and had a couple of really great twists. At least many of the character were used...many of whom people actually liked. Every time the show starts and Nonlee and Zach are in that whole I know it is going to be a LONG day. By the time Amanda Beall's or Courtney Bulger's names pop up on the screen I'm exhausted and by the time "Applolgies" plays as AMC ritual dictates, I just want to cry. Yes people current AMC makes Proteus look like Shakespeare.

I still can't follow Proteus but it doesn't help that Iwas in europe for a big chunk of that neverending story... While eras of AMC may have been worse (much fo Passanante's era when she became full writer and not co headwriter with Nixon, McT's 99 era, Rayfield etc) the Proteus story is prob my least fave STORY too just cuz it was sooo endless and confused. It did give us some great moments (mainly with Vanessa) though.

I think Joe was being Joe but I did find it hypocritical and bizarre how easily he moved Richie to the psych ward especially as he didnt' seem tlo believe Ryan before... And why is Janet in the PVH psych ward now? (tho I was glad to see her and admit I am at least kind alooking forward ot her and Richie) Juliajms I kidna agree except what proof does Joe have to lock him up? Just RYan's wide eyed ravings

Cheap I disagree--having recently watched a few eps from 1979 when Tom found out Erica lied about the birth control pills I think the way Erica is behaving now with Jack is SPOT on to history.

^ But didn't Rickie admit to Joe that he wanted Annie to kill him? I could have sworn he did and to me that justifies it.

I've not been catching full eps lately so you're prob right....

Boringgggg.

Tho I do love Lily and Jonathan. Wish they put them together, but it's all about Ava and Lily's just the crazy one.

He's probably just looking for another excuse to kiss her.

I find it hard to believe Richie is sane. He's trying to kill people left and right including himself, which is usually enough to get people sent to the funny farm, so I think comparing Joe and Erica's actions a stretch. It was pretty obvious that Greenlee had no intentions of hurting anyone. The only evil plan she had to come after Kendull's brats were in Kendall's head. In fact, Kendall was the one acting nuts for awhile there.

I don't know what Richie was like before Annie lied and got him sent to prison for something he did not do. If he's anything like Greenlee who whines about being framed for a crime she actually committed, then yeah, he's probably nutso. She sets the standard, after all.

Who cares that GreenMee didn't intend to harm Spike or Ian (As if she didn't know kidnapping IS harmful to children and families). She did harm them. 2 babies almost died because of her selfishness actions and she still doesn't get it. She couldn't and still can't see beyond what she wants. If that isn't crazy, then I don't know what is.

What sane person sues for custody of a baby that is not theirs? What sane person decides to take a baby because they want someone else's child? What sane person repeatedly sneaks around to see the baby they stole after being told by the family to stay away? What sane person lies to the police to avoid charges rather than face the music? Comparing Joe and Erica is spot on. Even further, was it not Joe who had Adam committed against his will months ago to get revenge? Aidan helepd too, if I recall. So what's with their self-righteous and hypocritical grandstanding?

Last time I checked, kidnapping was not only a potential reason to go to the funny farm, it's a damned good reason to go to prison. Pity that fairweather Jackson was not the one to realize that his daughter needed/needs serious mental help while condemning others for actions he too engages in or expecting more of others than he is willing to give.

I don't know what Richie was like before Annie lied and got him sent to prison for something he did not do. If he's anything like Greenlee who whines about being framed for a crime she actually committed, then yeah, he's probably nutso. She sets the standard, after all.

Who cares that GreenMee didn't intend to harm Spike or Ian (As if she didn't know kidnapping IS harmful to children and families). She did harm them. 2 babies almost died because of her selfishness actions and she still doesn't get it. She couldn't and still can't see beyond what she wants. If that isn't crazy, then I don't know what is.

What sane person sues for custody of a baby that is not theirs? What sane person decides to take a baby because they want someone else's child? What sane person repeatedly sneaks around to see the baby they stole after being told by the family to stay away? What sane person lies to the police to avoid charges rather than face the music? Comparing Joe and Erica is spot on. Even further, was it not Joe who had Adam committed against his will months ago to get revenge? Aidan helepd too, if I recall. So what's with their self-righteous and hypocritical grandstanding?

Last time I checked, kidnapping was not only a potential reason to go to the funny farm, it's a damned good reason to go to prison. Pity that fairweather Jackson was not the one to realize that his daughter needed/needs serious mental help while condemning others for actions he too engages in or expecting more of others than he is willing to give.

ICAM! My senitments exactly! Jack KNEW Greenlee kidnapped Spike and instead of getting her to come forward with the truth, he chose to pretend that she didn't mean to or some crap. I understand wanting to support your child, but my mother taught me that right is right and wrong is wrong-- and furthermore, if I broke the law, not only should I come clean about my actions, but she'd turn me in if I didn't. Greenlee is sooo busy whining about how they did her, she forgets that she could've had Spike as her child had she not walk away from him before he was born.

WORD to your post about Erica Cheap

too bad I missed that but I honestly can not stand to watch them anymore. Its the same sh*t everyday

Yep I feel sorry for TK having to work with HER for so many weeks, I bet his ears were ringing from all the whining