Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted November 13, 2007 Members Share Posted November 13, 2007 Yes, someone please murder Lulu! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NeoAngelicLiz Posted November 13, 2007 Members Share Posted November 13, 2007 I DO think you can love more than one person but I think ultimately that you have just one soul mate...one person that you're meant to be with forever and that you love above all else. For Jason I think its either Elizabeth or Courtney. I won't lie. He loves Robin. He loves Carly. He loves Emily and he loves Monica. But he loves each of them in different ways. I don't think he ever loved Sam nor do I believe Sam loved him. Thats just me. Loving today's episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted November 13, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 13, 2007 I've been online more than I should be today but I wanted to finish reading recapss to decide whether to continue my little addiction to GH today. I read this post and I love it. I've read so many hate threads that insist that Jason doesn't love Elizabeth because Sam is his one true love but I think this might be the first time that I've read one that says they didn't love each other. I can't agree but I totally respect that you don't think they did (which is odd because I always think everyone is crazy including myself of course). The soap soulmate stuff is fantasy to me because I don't think there's such a thing. There are other perfect fits to be found. In life I think we do get as many soulmates as we believe we have but only one at any given time. I look at whether characters connect on shows. I never saw a connection with Courtney and that whole relationship was quite dreadful to me. I didn't see a connection with Sam and I certainly didn't see any kind or overwhelming or undying passion. I did see that he loved them and they loved him. With Carly I just accept that they have this great friendship and love each other because I don't see the whole best friends thing at all. I see that he cares about her and she comes as close to whatever constitutes love and friendship in her world but I don't get the feeling, I just accept the words. I would love to blame it on Carly staining the purity of Jason and Robin's relationship but that's not really it. Even when SJB played her and Jason made the decision that they were better as friends, I didn't get passion but at that point there was lust and desire but not the friendship vibe for me. I think there was potential with Brenda and there is a connection with Robin and Elizabeth. Jason hasn't been a kind of overwhelming passionate character to me but he does give the impression of someone being able to love with all his soul and be faithful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NeoAngelicLiz Posted November 13, 2007 Members Share Posted November 13, 2007 Aww thanks! And I totally respect your opinion about Jason and The Women...lol! He does seem to have a way with them.... I TOTALLY forgot about Brenda. He had a lil sumthin sumthin with her but I don't think it approached Elizabeth or Courtney level. Lol don't even get me started on Carly today. I'm just too tired to even think about why someone like Jason would be friends would this current maddenly annoying version of Carly. I just love the GH board right now. Its awesome to come here everyday to talk about our favorite soap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Sinclair Posted November 13, 2007 Members Share Posted November 13, 2007 Lulu to Nadine: "Because I have a 24k golden vagina so everything has to be about me." Oh, no? She didn't say that? My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan Posted November 13, 2007 Members Share Posted November 13, 2007 I went from someone HATED Sam in the beginning, but began to like her when she was paired with Jason. IMO, which you can agree with or not, but I saw Jason & Sam fall in love. I watched how she annoyed the hell out of him, and vice versa, and then they slowly began to accept their feelings for one another. Sam was Jason's girl through and through. She was right by his side in EVERYTHING he went through when they were together. Their love was strong and consistent. They were doing well up until it was decided they would break them apart. Guza can't just have people grow apart like in normal relationships. He's got to destroy every last bit of love the two felt for each other. I truly stopped being a Jason & Sam fan when he broke up with her in May, and she said to her mother "I am nothing without him." To me, that was such a stupid [!@#$%^&*] thing to say. Jason is not the end all be all. There was life before him, and there was life after him. I began to dislike her attitude towards Alexis (even though some of it was warranted) and when I saw her self-destructive behavior growing before the Ric affair, I hated her even more. Even though Jason & Sam got back together after it was all said and done, it was never the same for me. The "magic" that was there, was gone. They didn't trust each other the same way they did before, and it was noticeable to many J&S fans. Jason's "soulmate" IMO is Carly. It's not Courtney, it's not Robin, it's not Sam, Keesha, or Elizabeth. Why? Because their relationship has always lasted. They say people come into your life for a season, a reason and a lifetime. IMO, Courtney and Sam came in for a season, Robin & Elizabeth for a reason and Carly for a lifetime. I'm not a believer in diminishing the feelings for a past couple. It's not fair to the fans and it's not fair to the character. We also have to remember, that the characters will do and say whatever they need to establish that pairing as "the one" at least for the time being. Carly pimped Courtney as Jason's "soulmate" and blah blah blah. Then Sam comes along, hated the bitch, then for a couple months was a freakin pimper for JaSam...again, playing the "soulmate card." Jason, for a time, made it seem like if he had to choose between Carly & Sam, she (Carly) wouldn't like his answer. As a Jason/Carly fan it pissed me off b/c ordinarily, he wouldn't even dare tease that. I attributed it to pimping by the writers, not some kind of "big decision" as to who Jason would choose. I'm ranting now. Sorry..... I haven't watched yet, but I'm going to. I can't wait to see the "I love you's" EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted November 13, 2007 Members Share Posted November 13, 2007 dumb Leyla. Why did she jump in front of the gun instead of knocking Anthony when she had the chance? Do I smell a Nadine vs Lulu rivalry? Nadine is really callingher out on her ish and giving her no free passes but she is getting closer with Spinelli. Looks like Lulu might get jealous When is Carly going to find out that Kate is Sonny's first love? She sure looked stupid going on about how Sonny doesnt really love Kate and that he never could bc he's only known her a few short months. According to Carly, Kate will be just like all the other women in his life post-Carly. She seems convinced that she is Sonny's soulmate and that he will never love anyone else but her. I cant wait for Sonny to drop teh bomb that Kate is his first love and they have finally reunited after all these years It takes 2 to tangle and Jason had a part in ruining the relationship Well I gotta disagree bc there definetly was love in those 3 years. Sam was the one who brought Jason back during his medical crisis. Not Sonny, not Carly, not Elizabeth but Sam. It was her love and devotion for him that helped get him through that. It was his love for her which scared him into breaking up with her after she was shot. The truth is there is no other woman that he's been romantically involved with that has been as compatible with him as Sam. Aside from Carly, (who I look at as more of a friend), Sam is the only one to completely and truly accept him and his lifestyle and not try to change him or judge him for it. Elizabeth cant say that and neither could Courtney. She's the only one that could handle herself and that he could trust to let in on his mob life. Jason lying and denying that from Elizabeth is part of the reason why they disintergrated the first time. He loved Sam and he wanted to make a family with her. He loved her faults and all and the feeling was mutual. They were golden in 2005 and that was the height of them as a couple. They had their best scenes then. Good stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted November 13, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 13, 2007 I do too and I'm almost shocked because I was in a no soap mode for awhile and I don't know what made me start watching GH again. Maybe it's the way that I view certain things that cause me not to see half the stuff that people see in terms of the ever wonderful chemistry, magic and whatnot. It's very rare that I hate or love any character even when I find some of them annoying at times. Courtney happens to be one of the characters I did dislike. I usually take an interest in characters based on their development, the acting, and sometimes for no specific reason. I have often liked couples when I didn't specifically care for either of the individuals that made them up. Sonny and Carly (SB/TB) fell into that category for me. Now I like him with Kate and I'm still unsure how I feel about Kate. Part of what appeals to me with the romances is the story they are telling and whether or not the actors are conveying it for me. It's all subjective and that's why it's great that people see things differently and great when they agree. I never really gave Jason that much thought but I know that there was an episode years ago when Robin was still in Paris and they did this montage where Jason was standing on the bridge missing her and I felt sorry for him (before I went all cold hearted) and even though I can't say that they bowled me over with passion, I liked them from that point on. I didn't like that Carly ruined it but I did like the story and I do like the idea of Jason and Carly's friendship for the most part but I just don't feel it or see really see it. It's one of those things that I accept is there even if it looks more like a tug of war to me sometimes. Carly says Jason is her best friend enough for me to remember it. I was kind of okay with Nikolas and Courtney but I really didn't see much of anything between her and anybody. I haven't seen a spark with Sam and anybody except cousin Nikolas which won't happen. She and Lucky are beautiful but they don't do anything for me which might change if they get a story that's not about revenge and self pity. I like the long time coming aspect of Jason and Elizabeth but I am on the fence with them. I know there is anpther obstacle coming and I'll see whether I make a definitive shift when it plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted November 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 I don't really want to challenge the great love of Jason and Sam because I admittedly didn't see it but just for the fun of it I'm responding to ask was it really three entire years or does the three years include the disintegration? I'm also curious as to what is so great about Sam accepting Jason's mob life when so many people are constantly putting it down for being a danger to everyone around him? I personally don't have a problem with it but I'm not getting how it can be celebrated as part of what made them so wonderful yet be part of what made them so wonderful. I'm glad she could accept his being in the mob but I don't see how that makes her any better from a relationship perspective than any of the other women who have a problem with it. On the one hand, she made it easy for him to continue doing the horrible thing he does without questioning him, on the other hand the other women reminded him that he could do better than that. Sam's relationship with him consumed her and her identity and now they need to write her as someone who can survive without being all about Jason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 I saw love between them up until Jason got sent to prison. His attiude about her seemed to have changed after. I saw love from her even after she found out Jake. I think it was the stuff with the kidnapping and the actual breakup which pretty much killed it off What "so many people are constantly being put down for being in danger bc of Jason" You mean Elizabeth right? I have never had a problem with Elizabeth being with Jason bc of his mob life style. I used to be a Liason fan and even after they ended before they started in 2002, like the other fans, I held out hope that they would be reuinted in the. As much as I loved them, it was the birth of Cameron which effectivally ended them as a viable option. She had moved so far from Jason and that life and was now a mother. To me, for her to intentionally bring him up in that lifestyle when she herself was shot, kidnapped, nearly blown up and nearly burned as a result of beign asscoated with Jason, would be incredibly irresponsible for her as a mother and out of character for Liz. Thats it. The only reason why Jason's life keeps me from accepting them, bc I think it would be wrong of her to take her children from the safe place they are at and put them in an environment which is a breeding ground for danger, violence and death. Liz is a goody goody and she couldnt even handle that when it was just her to worry about As far Sam and how her acceptance of Jason's life made her a more viable partner, well Jason's career is his life. He is married to it. If it comes down to the mob life or a woman, guess what, the mob life wins. For him to be with any woman, they have to accept it or else there will be problems as we have seen in the past with Liz and to a much greater degree Courtney. She kept butting in, causing trouble for him, judging and criticizing him. Liz got accepted bc he had to keep secrets from her regarding his lifestyle. Sam accepted him and she didnt judge or try to change him. Jason was free to be who he was without having to worry about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dinkydawes Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 Love Jason and Liz. Hate Sam- yet again Sam says Jason has to find Liz and follow her around. Pathetic jealous shrew!I'm sick of her! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted November 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 I think she still loves him. I don't think they'll ever specify when he fell out of love with her or fell in love with Elizabeth or whether the two emotions were dying and growing at the same time. No not just Elizabeth. I've read the same thing about Robin too. I believe I've also read that Robin wouldn't have wanted him to father her child because of his mob association but the reason she gave was that he'd want to be involved and so said he. I don't really think Elizabeth is a goody two shoes although I can see how people can see her that way. I've seen her for the most part as someone who struggles to do the right thing even if she doesn't really get it right. I could say lots about her but I will say that from a storytelling perspective for me, this whole struggle between her feelings for Jason and what she thinks is the right thing to do is actually good. Johnny Z is their example of a guy that grew up with his psycho mobster father and the most horrific thing was seeing his mother killed by his father. Presumably he lived in dangerous circumstances and we'd have to figure that someone like AZ would have more enemies than Sonny's little operation could ever amass. Work aside, Jason has been touted for a long time as someone who would make a good father. So it's weighing giving Jake the father who loves him or saying that Jake will be safer without Jason. Since life is full of possibilities and almost anything can happen at anytime, the convenience of using potential danger as an obstacle between Jason and Elizabeth is wearing thin. It's not going to make her less of a character struggling to be good if she chooses love over being safer when Jake could be hurt in all kinds of non mob related ways. Hey if Jason is doing illegal things then he should be judged and nothing should be whitewashed. I can wholeheartedly agree with you that Sam's acceptance made her perfect for him but I also think (and I won't even dabble in Courtney since I didn't like her with Jason anyway), the conscience of Robin or Elizabeth is just as good because it does make him have to stop and think. I don't think one quality is any better than the other. The negative aspect of Sam being so accepting is that she lost herself in him and she settled for less than she should have because she obviously wanted some attention or other things he wasn't giving her. Anyway thanks for the response and the different perspective. I like looking at different things from different angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 At this point it has become beyond annoying. Either be with Jason or dont. Im sick of the whining and lamenting already. I dont like Liason anymore and Im past the point of caring. I wish they'd just throw them together already and get it over with bc this struggle and dragging is just as annoyingExcept had Sam judge Jason and all his illegal activities, people would be calling her a hypocrite as she is no stranger to living an illegal lifestyle. I think thats part of the reason, why she was so accepting of Jason bc she was unphaed by his lifestyle as she had been living a shady one herself. I can agree that Sam did lose herself when with Jason. She only started to get that back when she became host of EDH which I loved bc it was one aspect of her life that did not involve Jason at all. Unfortunetly I think becoming host to that show helped in the breakup with Jason as she became so busy and they werent spending time or connecting like they used to because of it . Thanks for your responses too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members d_wsb Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 uh guys why are we talking about jason's harem? lol first of all i hate hate hate J&C.. they ruin this show for me... GH only has time to pimp the shyt out of this pairing but no other true ones. in other news, lulu's "me, me, me.." is really nothing new. booo woo elizabeth.. they really should just do jerry n carly and let them go at it at least my fav bros, nikolas/lucky get to beat on jason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted November 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 I don't mind the lamenting at all because it kind of makes it seem that there is some thought put into the decision, although I kind of wish Jason would be the one to say this is what we should do. I understand why he wants Elizabeth to decide but he finally broke through and told and he should take a stand here too. I'm usually short on patience so maybe they will annoy me at some point but now it's fine for me. Agreed but you know people are going to say what they're going to say anyway. I never thought I'd be delving into Jason's love life like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.