Members Soapsuds Posted September 8, 2007 Members Share Posted September 8, 2007 So I decided to start this thread tonight. I thought of varies ways to word the title. I thought maybe of posters being able to say why a certain storyline wasnt working for them and how it could be fixed. But I axed that because no one listens to the viewers. I will just say I will not rant anymore. This is probably the last monthly rant. It is obvious to me changes will never be made. It is sad when you are not enjoying the show you once loved for almost 30 years. But that has happened. I am only enjoying Nuke and some of the Carly storyline. But Jack has become to much of an ass for me to continue to care. So what's there left to watch? Some characters I love are not shown or are either in bad storylines. So as I sign off I hope to see more Nuke. Hopefully leading to a full sex scene between the two. Then ATWT can go into cancellation. I just cant bare to watch a show completely unravel in front of me. But thats what Jean Passanante and Christopher Goutman have done to my ATWT. Gone are the days of the exciting Friday cliffhanger. The clever writing leading to a shocking twist. The last time I felt that about ATWT was with Barbara boathouse fire back in 2001. Most recently Nuke kiss left me wanting more of them. Besides that ATWT has totally stunk. Thank you Mr. Goutman and Passhack for ruiining a historical classic soap opera known as ATWT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RogerNewcomb Posted September 8, 2007 Members Share Posted September 8, 2007 I second your motion and agree with the comments, but for some reason, I just don't think either of them are going anywhere. ATWT will go out with these two writing a crappy series finale. Maybe they will bring back the fake gorilla from the AW finale to kidnap Nancy. Oh wait, Nancy won't even be mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Soapsuds Posted September 8, 2007 Author Members Share Posted September 8, 2007 I was never a fan of AW but I thought their send off was horrible. I can see HackPissanante and Goatman doing the same to ATWT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members winterguy125 Posted September 8, 2007 Members Share Posted September 8, 2007 I agree that sadly when the show ends next July that it will be Jean and Chris that finish it out Not a fact on the July thing but just speculation. I agree that the show is really not recognizable anymore, sure I will say a certain show is good once in a while but compared to what it should be even those shows suck. Lets face it the show is dieing a slow painful death, no sets, no houses(except for Gwen and Will how nice), No family interaction, no interaction outside of storylines, all newbies running the show, the vets are nowhere to be seen, this includes anyone over the age of 30 it seems. I could go on for ages on just how sad it is to see this show go right down the tubes. I agree with Soapduds that the last good storyline we really had would be the boathouse explosion, that and the Spa storyline(I know not many liked it but I loved it, lol) Right now I am sort of in the same boat I am watching for Luke and Noah and that is about it anymore, I try to get into the other storylines but they are so horrid and boring that I just can't. I already gave up on Y&R and B&B it will be a shame if I have to give up on ATWT before it ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Soapsuds Posted September 8, 2007 Author Members Share Posted September 8, 2007 I am wondering if I can get the title changed to "The Death of ATWT". It sure feels like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members winterguy125 Posted September 8, 2007 Members Share Posted September 8, 2007 And some more, now we can't even get a full opening everyday anymore, sh*tty camera work and lighting the other day, another sign that the show does not even have enough money for the basics If CBS or PGP cared about the future of this show, JP, CG would be gone now, not to mention they would give them atleast enough money for the basics and enough money to have good storylines again that involve the whole cast instead of non core characters. Even the actors look like they could careless anymore, scenes that should be great no matter how bad written are not anymore because the actors are not putting there all into it anymore. Poor Jen Landon looks like she is about to pass out in most scenes, then again who could blame her she never gets a friggin break, I am sure she would like one once in a while, Its not even just Jen, it just really seems like most don't care anymore. I will say one thing and I know everyone will think I am playing favorites which I am not at all, but the only person bringing there acting chops with them lately is Van Hansis, then again he is probably just happy that he can finally be on screen after a 10 month break of only 30 shows. I love Maura and even she seems like she does not like what she has to do anymore, again who could blame her, same storylines year after year, and again over worked. I really think that SOW blind spot about actors not being happy is about ATWT it is written all over the actors faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LiasonAgent007 Posted September 8, 2007 Members Share Posted September 8, 2007 Wow talk about death and misery in a thread... It sucks (for you that is) that you're not enjoying the show. But I happen to think that its decent overall. Definitely not in the pit of abomination like Passions is at least. Plus the acting on ATWT is definitely by far the best on Daytime besides Y&R and GH. And I haven't noticed any "fatigue" on the part of the actors but I'm sure that JL probably does get moments of tiredness...she does lead a very busy life I'm sure. Anyways I hope this whole cancellation talk is just rumor. It would be painful to know that I won't be seeing Paul, Ro, Meg, Carly, Luke, Aaron, Will, Gwen, Maddie, Allison and Co years from now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted September 8, 2007 Members Share Posted September 8, 2007 Is the show truly worst than in the 90s when those people behind that Eden Playboy Channel soap wrote it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stenbeck212 Posted September 8, 2007 Members Share Posted September 8, 2007 The fall previews leave me no indication that the tide will turn by year's end. Just look at Goutman's smarmy acceptance of praise for the gay story. If it ended today, the show would sink like the Titanic. How could this man not see a problem in only exploring the loss of Susan's sobriety for 3 episodes? ATWT is only dedicated to stunts with no long term investment. Porn, crystal meth, dead hookers, more dead babies, nurses running corporations. Even Rosanna is a mere replacement for Emily in the woman-miserable-because-of-a-man department. Things weren't even this bad before Sheffer came on board. As far as ATWT and GL in general, I wonder if this may help explain things: So are there no checks and balances in place to whip Goutman into shape if he falters? Despite Dwyer-Dobbin's often criticized failings, I cannot remember the P&G shows being as contrived and BORING as they've gotten in the last couple years. I really do think so, because at least back then, the writing wasn't also compounded by limited sets and a refusal to give veterans airtime. That's a part of why Y&R remains tolerable for me right now. It would be different if it looked cheap and we never saw Katherine, Nikki, Victor, Jack or Jill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RuAsRuAnAu Posted September 8, 2007 Members Share Posted September 8, 2007 If you want Procter & Gamble Productions to fire Passanante & Goutman, who would you like to replace them with? Ellen Weston and John Conboy were deeply criticized for their tenure at GL. Now GL has been stuck with David Kreizman & Ellen Wheeler who are unfortunaetly worse than their predecessors. The same goes for ATWT: Hogan Sheffer is a far better writer than Passanante will ever be & Felicia Minei Behr helped steer ATWT in the right direction which Goutman picked up on. If it wasn't for Behr's talent & success, Goutman's job to revitalize the aging warhorse would have been much harder. It's time for new writers to come on board, a house cleaning of the writing staff, and by new I mean another Sheffer: Writers who've never watched daytime before. If that's not feasable, then intice Nancy Curlee & Pamela Long to head write ATWT. Both writers rocked the hell out of GL with their quality writing as head writers. Those were the days... For EP, how about another ex-AMC EP: Francesca James. I find her to be under-rated. Would Curlee make for a good EP? I know that Long was EP of Twice In A Lifetime, so she has experience in that field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Popstarboy Posted September 8, 2007 Members Share Posted September 8, 2007 I am soooo glad that I discovered this thread already in progress...... I have been thinking many of the same thoughts re: ATWT of late over the whole summer really. My take on the show is quite simple: The people in charge have ALL run their course!!!--- There are still some brigt spots here & there. I loved having Lucinda & Susan featured pretty prominently over the summer. Maura West is still top notch even admist bleak storylines. The characters of Henry & Vienna are a treat, even in the short, light scenes!!! And yes, I love that there is Luke & Noah in the mix.............. I am just hoping that the 'writers' & producers continue to support the storyline & not pull a sudden, out of nowhere, conclusion to this timely storyline. Lastly, I applaud whomever responsible, for AT LEAST keeping our Beloved Snyder Kitchen Set featured. We long-time fans have that, if not much else to remind us of yesteryear Oakdale. ITA, the stories are painfully shallow for the most part. Poor Gwen & Will. They have to be the most miserable young couple of the last 15 years on Daytime!!!! The lack of character crossover & interaction is almost insane on the show right now. (Gwen is just about killed by Cleo & it is hardly mentioned a couple days later......... by ANY member of her family even!) Paul Ryan is revealed to be alive & it barely registers with anyone sans Babs & Meg. How have TPTB allowed this great ensemble cast to become sooooooooooooooooooo fragmented???? It cannot all be a case of budget restraints, can it?? Above posts have already mentioned the very few sets this show still manages to showcase-- I have to say though..... I too, find the lack of any real feeling of community on ATWT, is more sad now than ever before! I do fear that soon entire episodes will alternate between the Lakeview Towers & Al's....... then maybe the Snyder Kitchen on really special occasions!!! It is tragic. There are still sopas on the air that feature quite a few sets!!! (And I am not just referring to Y&R) If there is indeed any real hope for the show to turn around, I think that it must mean that someway somehow the show opt for new Writers & Producers, pronto! The cast is still more than capable!!! Heck, what ATWT does have is a bevy of Vets still under contract!!!!!!!!!! Give them stories while you can CBS & P&G. Surely, the show cannot continue for another year even, in its current fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members winterguy125 Posted September 11, 2007 Members Share Posted September 11, 2007 Just bringing this back up again Jean and Chris need to go like now I can only imagine what horrid ratings we will get for this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MichaelGL Posted September 11, 2007 Members Share Posted September 11, 2007 I used to think that Goutman was a good Executive Producer. Not anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted September 11, 2007 Members Share Posted September 11, 2007 I still think he's a good EP, he's just burnt out at ATWT and has done all could for the show. I think he would be better off on say GH, AMC, or Days, as long as he doesn't bring his two bitches along with him - Jean and Leah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted September 11, 2007 Members Share Posted September 11, 2007 I've ONLY been watching for Luke/Noah--and while it looks like they're finally giving them the material they deserve (July where they basically showed up every once and a while to prop up Cleo's story was frustrating) it just makes me think what a wasted opportunity this all is--judging from youtube and forum discussions lotsa people are tunning into the show for Luke and Noah--people who never thought they'd enjoy a soap have said how much they love the story, etc... But there's very little else on the show I could see catching their attention (at least very little does mine--and I've been a casual ATWT watcher for over 10 years so know most of the characters, etc) E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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