AMC: Wednesday

[dragonflies]

AMC wants their cake and eat it too. Right now it's showing us that Binks is involved with a man. No matter that he FEELS like a woman inside. For all intents and purposes he's a man.

[alwaysAMC]

I don't know - I think dragging Bianca through the mud bc she is falling for a transgender is a slap in the face to the TG community. Isn't that like telling Zoe she should never be with a woman, and so she'll never be able to fall in love with a woman bc it'd be unrealistic for another girl to love her? That's a form of discrimination almost.....

[Cheap21]

I didnt think of it that way but IA, you definetly have a point

[dragonflies]

No it's not a slap in the face because Zoe is still a man. Bianca is a LESBIAN who is lusting after a man who is a woman inside.

There's so much hate going on for this storyline and for Binks right now it's sad

[Laurie]

I loved Zach and Kendall but then again when it comes to them I am their beeyotch

Lily was awesome with Zach and Kendall

I like that Colby is going to be Jenny's middle name...think Colby should be honored in that way. JMO Ambyr was awesome in the scenes today.

Di & Aidan 2 days in a row...yay! I want Ava gone like yesterday.

[a2sassy]

I didn't know Krystal was giving Jenny Colby's middle name. I thinks it's sweet though because Colby loves that baby even though she's not her biological sister.

[EricaKane70]

I really can't get behind the TG storyline because I just feel like its a way to get binks with a man. I think they are doing a huge disservice to people that are unaware of the TG process by Zoe not going through the tranistion from a man to a female. I know that Zoe feels like she is a woman inside, but to an uninformed person like myself I just see a man in drag. I really was hoping to see Zoe go through the transition, so for me this storyline has fallen flat. I would of liked to see a friendship between zoe and binks, with binks supporting Zoe, instead of binks falling for her.

[dragonflies]

WORD! I know from reading various boards that alot of gays and lesbians feel insulted by this storyline.

Also isn't Binks supposed to be afraid of storms cause she was raped when there was a storm?

[alwaysAMC]

Well I'm gay, and I'm not insulted in the slightest. Whether this is TPTB's way of getting Binks with a guy or not - well we'll never really know the REAL truth since we're not there in the boardroom.

BUT, I really think with the mentality that many have - you are discriminating against Zoe and all M to F transgenders. Zoe feels like a woman inside, and is considering the transition surgery - and she loves women, making her a lesbian. When you say that other lesbians can't realistically fall in love with people like Zoe - well you're denying Zoe the chance to ever be in a relationship or feel love from another. Who says that lesbians can't fall in love with other people who feel like women on the inside, have a woman's mentality, and looks like a woman on the outside...and might even go with full transition to become a full woman?

I think people are just too into Bianca the lesbian character - and they can't help but just prefer her with a biological woman. I'm sure if some other random lesbian came on the show with no history, and Zoe and this new character hooked up, then people would be a lot more ok with it just bc it isn't the beloved Bianca.

Either way, I think denying Zoe the chance for love from another lesbian is discrimination IMO.

[EricaKane70]

I just feel that this storyline was suppose to be about TG, but it ended up being a storyline about putting binks with a man who feels like a woman inside. I don't think it was a good move to only tell one part of this story, I wanted to see Zoe's transition into becoming a female by going through the surgery and taking hormones and then I wanted to see Zoe's transition from having the surgery to going out into the world. As an uninformed person about TG, I feel like I haven't learn much of anything about TG, except that they feel like a woman trapped inside a mans body.

[rsmith2k2]

Noooo. It's like telling Zoe that it's probably more likely that at this stage in her transition that a bisexual or even heterosexual woman may find her physically, sexually attractive right now. There's no judgement in that. Besides, not all lesbians are attracted to each other. Lesbians aren't just attracted to other lesbians, they're attracted to women (straight, gay, bi-).

My issue has nothing to do with who Zoe is attracted to, actually. She is attracted to women. Fine, no problem. Zoe's not being compromised in the least by this. Zoe's integrity is not allowed to be compromised or one is labelled a bigot. Bianca's integrity as a lesbian IS compromised, however. But McT was nothing if not consistent and never cared about that much. Zoe's must be honored, Bianca's well...they want a lot more wiggle room there, don't they?

Whether you accept the premise the story is promoting or not, the story is confusing a lot of viewers about gayness because it's written so poorly from Bianca's perspective.

And while not all agree, lesbian fans of Bianca are not supportive of this story because it's not representative the common lesbian experience. Hell, we haven't even had Bianca in one longterm relationship onscreen with a biological female playing her gf. Yet we have Bianca dancing in the arms of a biological male (with invisible inner woman), waxing poetic and trying to encourage this person to accelerate the relationship to further it down the road to sex.

Bianca's only danced two other times in any sort of close fashion. Once with Lena on NYE's of 2004 and once when Michael raped her during a thunder and lightning storm. How intriguing that imagery came up today and Bianca smiles and keeps dancing. When it was important to keep Bianca labelled a rape victim, McT pulled out that flinching and flashbacks to the rape at any thunder and lightning for years. If fact she used that to keep Bianca away from sex with women.

But now, time's passed, Bianca's healed, I know. But still, what's today's signal then? Thunder and lightning and dancing in a man's arms (despite the inner woman) in a intimate way brings only smiles to Bianca as it's important now for McT/AMC to sell her as over the rape so she can be just perfectly fine that her girlfriend is still penised (is that a word?)? If they didn't intend to re-live those metaphors through that imagery then they are incompetent. The message is to convince the the audience, to reassure that Bianca would not be phased by having sex now with a male. That's what they're trying to make us swallow. The show wants this every way but right for Bianca. Because at the end, McT was all about Zoe as her employment savior.

It's about which gender Bianca is SUPPOSED to be attracted to, as a lesbian woman. Bianca is the legacy character and she's the one getting lost in this story. So it's nothing to do with discrimination against TGs, I really take issue with the implication. It's about writing this story without considering the lesbian perspective (as Zoe's the prop-ee). It's about having little reason to trust the motives of McT or TPTB with Bianca's love life. It's about not tearing down one minority's representation for another's. Especially when each can stand on their own and with better clarity for the audience.

And finally, I tried hard to give the bastards at AMC the benefit of the doubt when they didn't deserve it, because I DID so badly want to see TG representation on daytime. I know it could be compelling television (and Zoe has won over fans and just think if even more than Zoe/Zarf/JC fans could have gotten behind it to a larger extent) and I certainly know how important it is to expose people to that life who may not have been so before.

But McT, in her addled mind, muddied the waters trying to do everything but tell Zoe's TG story except in a drips and drops, through a few individually good and authentic episodes (and McT may have had little to do with those) while they've slogged through Bashing The TG throughout the SSK story (and it continues today though not violent, but there's lots of victimization), through Babe-propping, and JR-hating, and then ultimately a romance with Bianca that serves neither character considering where they are as individuals and where they are as representations of a class of people in television, imo.

But please, someone tell, me how does it serve lesbian visibility on Daytime, if one half of the only 'lesbian' couple on daytime is an externally male gf played by a biologically male actor. Not one whit.

There's a lot wrong on many levels in regards to Bianca being portrayed as seeing Zoe as a on object of lesbian desire. Look around the general boards some more. It's feeding viewers confusion about what lesbians want in a relationship, as though sex is unimportant to us when it is the very reason for which we are discriminated against.

[dragonflies]

rsmith2k2, I want to marry that post, so much WORD

[AmandainNC28655]

I missed most of the show today because I had to take care of some business at the bank this afternoon...but I did manage to see a few minutes of the show. I loved it when Zoe threw the drink on Adam....had me chuckling and my girls going oh brother...lol. Sounds like I missed a good show...hopefully I can catch it on SoapNet tonight.

[AmandainNC28655]

I missed most of the show today because I had to take care of some business at the bank this afternoon...but I did manage to see a few minutes of the show. I loved it when Zoe threw the drink on Adam....had me chuckling and my girls going oh brother...lol. Sounds like I missed a good show...hopefully I can catch it on SoapNet tonight.

[Cheap21]

IA with your post. Under normal circumstances, Bianca wouldnt have looked at a man, but she grew closer to Zoe over the past few months. She fell for the person inside. It wasnt like it was some instant thing. It was gradual and she was very conflicted and confused about her feelings. She was there for her as a friend and only now realizing that she might actually like her in a deeper way.

Maggie never came across as a lesbian to me. To me she was a straight girl who happened to fall for her best friend who happened to be a lesbian. Maggie loved d--k. That girl was all over Jamie and she definetly seemed satisified. But out of nowhere, she was in love with Bianca and Im sure it was bc of the person that Bianca was. I dont think Bianca is thinking about the sexual parts here. I think its Zoe, the person, that she's fallen for and if she's willing to be patient with her(Zoe) and stand by her choices then more power to her. People will and have judged, but she should only be concerned with her own happiness and if Zoe is the one that gives that to her, then good for her

I like this story bc its original and its something I have NEVER seen on a soap before. The story was about Bianca, the lesbian, looking past the outside and falling for the person inside. We've already seen her fall in love with biological women. Transgender characters are a rarity on soap and a love story like this never happens. For that I was glad AMC went through and enjoyed it for what it was for the short time it was here