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Uh Oh. It looks like we're about to get The RHOBH Season 4 Jump The Shark Toxic Season.

I will follow Empress Lisa to the gates of hell, so whatever happened between her and Brandi, I'm laying the blame at Brandi's feet. At a point, we all have to pick a side with our favourite Housewives, and Lisa's got my vote. Season 4 really is the season where the shows all die because they just get too personal and nasty. OC, the oldest of the lot, is, in many ways, the 'nicest' of the shows, certainly they are awful to each other, but they also have a certain lightness to themselves, likely because they're relatively suburban women rather than the other franchises were the women live (or think they live: Atlanta and NJ) in a high stakes environment. Ultimately, the OC women still shop at Costco and buy the odd thing at Marshalls like everyone else. After 4 seasons it seems like the women just get too sick of each other and too much water is under the bridge.

NJ is the first RH franchise I dropped, it became far too ugly and too repetitive after the first season Melissa and Joe were on the show.

That's the thing with LuAnn, I don't think she'd ever be described as anyone's favourite, but for delicious bitchery, there are few who can compete with her. She is clever, quick and has a voice that is, paradoxically, warm and icy simultaneously. She's also someone who can be mocked with relative ease...

RHOC Reunion Part 3 was EPIC. Poor Vicki, she is a mess with Brooks. He has nailed himself one hell of a mark.

I don't see Vicki living a lie. In just the same way that you've asserted 'everyone knows about Gretchen and cheating, why admit it'...that's the approach Vicki's taking as well. I find Vicki very straightforward, if Gretchen is too dense to see that Vicki hates her the same way she does that's her problem. I think their fighting has been very even, keeping in mind Gretchen has Slade who does as much of her dirty work as she does. She has never once corrected him and never once told him his behaviour isn't acceptable. She condones it. They're a pair and Vicki is on the warpath.

What I saw was Vicki say to Brianna "Don't bring this up on camera" when she said Vicki cheated on Don with Brooks. I think cheating is vile, but who it's with is immaterial to me because it's the act that's the first hit of deplorable behaviour. I haven't seen Vicki shift blame to Don, she's said, probably 20 times over two seasons, that she had a bad marriage and that both of them cheated. I don't see an obsession at all. What I see is Vicki provoking and being provoked. She's as guilty as Gretchen in that regard, but it isn't a one sided attack. Gretchen has been nice to Vicki's face but she has never liked her in a VT or throughout a season like she has with Tamra. They never clicked. And in just the same way that Vicki trashes Gretchen's licensing deals and business acumen (or lack thereof) and her support of deadbeat dad Slade, Gretchen has trashed Vicki's looks, Vicki's private life, Vicki's friendships and Vicki's relationships. What I'm saying is, they hate each other, clearly. But it's equal, it's mutual and although Gretchen has been much nicer to Vicki's face, the hate has been there just the same, Vicki just doesn't bother with bullshitting Gretchen with a smile on her face, in essence, Vicki doesn't bother lying to Gretchen, she just out and out hates her while Gretchen seethes behind the scenes.

I just don't see the vagueness and dancing around the subject when it comes to Vicki. And I don't appreciate or understand the double standard with Vicki needing to provide more information than Gretchen does. As well, I don't see the obsession you speak of. I see the three of them as having a feud. It's equal blame on all sides. And really...Tamra started it all with "Hold on to your daddies girls, Gretchen's coming!"

I have to admit JackPeyton, I sometimes wonder if we're watching the same show. Vicki hasn't danced around cheating on Don. She has said in VT interviews "I cheated," "I was unfaithful," "There was infidelity on both sides of this marriage for a long time." Thus, I really don't understand what you see as her avoiding or not owning up to. And my issue with Gretchen denying it, even though everyone knows she did and there's proof to substantiate the claim, is that she's lying. And it's a big lie. And it's a pattern of negative behaviour that she won't admit to her lies.

First off, Tamra did bring receipts! Receipts that back up the allegations about Gretchen, allegations she still ludicrously denies. A lying liar who lies. And Lauri's son Josh does not and did not have cancer. She was using cancer as a metaphor for his drug addiction (specifically, heroine) saying that he was currently in remission.

RHOC Lydia was the breakout star of this episode of the reunion...she handled Heather hilariously, the IMDB comment about Empress Lisa, the "just because you say it..." repetition, "princess"...brilliant. For that performance alone she could return. Heather came across very poorly and she really should watch it because that veneer cracking does her no favours. Lauri was such a fail, she has no ammunition whatsoever and the comments about her drug addled son and her granddaughter are major fodder for next season, should she accept an orange. Alexis added absolutely nothing and she should RUN from this show because she'd be leaving on a high note. Tamra was tame this episode. Vicki wasn't shaken by much and she didn't explode, I know it's coming for the next two episodes and I can't wait. Gretchen is a lying liar who lies. And the big problem is she can't even cover her ass because she surely exposed it with: "Why is that that you two can do all these things but the rest of us can't!"...thereby implying that she has done exactly what she's been accused of, she just can't get it swept under the rug effectively like Tamra and Vicki can because, newsflash, she tries denying things supported by photographic evidence. And yes, it's all old news, but it's old news that Gretchen isn't letting go of either. All I know is Jeana was mentioned in this reunion and it confirmed the necessity of her presence so, so much.

RHOOC Lydia...she showed some backbone, her mother was absolutely the victim of a rage-a-holic PTSD sufferer and ultimately she added nothing to the show. She shouldn't return. Alexis...she acquitted herself very nicely this season, she came off as honest, caring and sweet. She also added nothing to the show other than her own redemption. She shouldn't return. Heather...a total snob but she adds glamour, intelligence, and sanity to the show that is otherwise lacking. Gretchen & Slade...they really are a pair. A pair of douchebags. Gretchen really holds a grudge and really lets nothing go. And she and Slade dance around the FACT that he IS a DEADBEAT DAD and that his child support failures are on RECORD in the courts of California. Tamra...she is so smart. She either patches things up with everyone or has a target picked out for the reunion that the other ladies will go with her on by the time the end of season party wraps up. Vicki...well, she is the OG of the OC and for that I enjoy her. Her daughter has lost me though, she's drunk the Kool-Aid and isn't realistic about 1) her mother being able to date whoever she wants and 2) her husband being a psycho. Speaking of which, Ryan is clearly suffering from PTSD, anger issues and a very poor understanding of social boundaries outside of the army. He needs professional help for all of this and goodness knows the US Military isn't going to provide any of it. He is a Lifetime Movie waiting to happen. Vicki Gunvalson in Not Without My Daughter. Overall, a decent season, but nothing outstanding. They need to bring back Lauri and Jeana and get the show rocking and rolling with some humour again. Separate the wives a bit, let us follow their lives some more. Having said that, when I hear that familiar guitar music as the show closes out, I feel that all is right with the world.

RHOC: Slade is such a slimy loser and a deadbeat dad, so he and Gretchen making sweet faces at each other at a lavish engagement party, while he owes "millions" (according to Gretchen on WWHL) for his son's healthcare and child support, makes me sick. The two of them are awful people who I can't stomach watching, let alone root for. Gretchen's comments about not having "crazy surgery" are laughable. That nose? That jawline? The forehead? Please. Tamra is smart enough to humble herself throughout the season. It's sort of brilliant of her going into the finale and reunion, she comes off so forgiving and well when we compare her to the beginning of the season when she came out guns blazing. Now that we know what happens with Vicki and Brooks, it's anti-climatic to see her reveal they're "back together"... Terry and Heather are raising very nerdy kids. It's cute. Lydia and Alexis add nothing to the show aside from the fact that they're inoffensive. Lauri and Jeana need to return badly.

Regarding Joe and Teresa...the man should fall on his sword, take responsibility for everything, claim he forged everything or threatened Teresa to do likewise 'or else'....Ultimately, he can't raise those girls alone, Teresa could, she's built of tough stuff. The charges against them are very serious. The only people to feel sorry for are their girls.

THAT'S the one I was trying to remember. She didn't swear, didn't raise her voice, didn't cry...she just eviscerated Aviva in three sentences. And Aviva sat there dumbfounded. It was brilliant.

That's how I see Sonya as well. I think she sees LuAnn as someone sensitive to her situation since she's basically lived it herself. And Sonya repeatedly read Aviva seriously a few times without flipping out or cowering, especially at that lunch of theirs where Sonya basically told Aviva she thought she was a bitch and didn't need her.

There's a lot of filler in that face. I'm just not fillin her. She seems so angry and bitter. She was ice cold to Alexis, no prize herself, who appeared to be trying.

Beverly Hills! Or watch Season One of Vancouver. Or Both.

But Gretchen does harp on the same issue (Vicki cheating within her marriage) every time they fight. She has no new material. And it's material that Vicki has admitted to, repeatedly, for at least a season or two. That's my issue with Gretchen (aside from speaking like an illiterate tool), she beats a dead horse and it's become obsessive.

Exactly. Neither one of them is a decent person. At least Vicki admits to her face work. See, I never remember Vicki claiming her marriage was perfect. Rather, I remember "My boobs want to come out and play...my love tank is empty...sometimes I do wish I was single."...she made plenty of statements throughout the years that inferred her marriage was on the rocks at all times.

+1,000,000 It's like Jeana's on the show, quite frankly, because her influence is so felt. Lauri, Jeana, Vicki for Season 9? That would be must see.

RHOOC: I don't see how anyone could see Gretchen 'owned' anything at that dinner, it was a pathetic mess and not one of them came off well. Gretchen can't speak ("Ezactly"), Vicki can't admit she thought Gretchen was gold digging trash right off the bat, and Lauri appears blissfully unaware that those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones (since she cheated on George). And poor Lydia, she clearly hasn't seen RHOV. Canadian women DO fight on Whistler.

Why fire Gretchen? Because she is as dense as a bag of sand and I cannot stand television being littered with morons like her.

Off to Fox News where she belongs. Good riddance. Now she's irrelevant.

RHOC Lauri is amazing. Yes, she's being a total cow spreading information about Vicki...but that's the gig. And she is flawless in doing it. Lauri and Jeana need to return next season. And it's time to fire Gretchen who is truly too dumb to live: "Do you know much about Canada?"