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@Broderick @Taoboi Agree that Billy needs to be rested. Since the 1999 SORAS, he's been played by 6 actors, that has to be a record.

I remember that and thankfully we were spared. There was some flirtation between Victoria and Brad in 1995 but nothing came of it. Victoria then disliked Brad when he started a relationship with Nikki. I remember a scene where Victoria accused Brad of being with Nikki for clout and listed all his past conquests.

We're stuck w/ AH until Y&R ends unfortunately. Do you think she could have worked as Victoria, or would the audience still have seen her as her Days character? I know Christie Clark literally grew up on Days.

To think some soap names thrown around for Victoria in 2005 were Sarah Brown and Christie Clark.

@Soapsuds The print ad looks like its from 1985. I'm guessing its from TV Guide.

@BoldRestless Thank you so much. You should be knighted 🤗 Victor revealing his real identity is another key moment I've been wanting to see for a long time. I'm still hoping for my two most wanted to surface soon, EB's first episode and Christmas 1981 when we first learn of Victor's childhood. EB has always credited Bill Bell creating the back story of Victor's childhood for his decision to stay on past Victor's initial storyline. Remember Victor was initially a short-term villain and he was a blank canvas of a character because he had no family ties or any other connection to anyone in Genoa City. It was the combination of Bill Bell's writing and EB's acting that made Victor's character arc from villain to anti-hero/romantic leading man successful. With Victor's character arc, I wonder if Bill Bell was influenced by Heathcliff of Wuthering Heights, the brooding anti-hero abandoned as a child.

@Paul RavenCorrection, 1985/86 was Miami Vice second season. 1985/86 was the turning point season of the 1980s. Sitcoms made a comeback, primetime soaps tanked, and action shows got clobbered by counter-programmed sitcoms. The Cosby Show moved up from 3rd to #1 and it was a killer show that destroyed everything in its path (time slot wise and overall). 23 out of 25 episodes finished #1 in the week of their original broadcast, 1 episode finished 2nd, and 1 episode finished 3rd. The Cosby Show once again pulled up the rest of the NBC Thursday comedy block: Family Ties moved up from 5th to 2nd, Cheers moved up from 12th to 5th, Night Court moved up from 20th to 11th. Murder, She Wrote continued to defy expectations and moved up from 8th to 3rd, becoming CBS's highest-rated scripted program and the highest-rated drama across the broadcast networks. Murder, She Wrote finished ahead of all the primetime soaps and action shows, and it even finished ahead of the new hotness Miami Vice. I don't think any CBS primetime viewer back then would've thought that sweet unassuming Angela Lansbury would be the one to knock big bad Larry Hagman off the throne at CBS. The Golden Girls was the breakout hit of the season and it breathed new life into NBC's Saturday lineup. With the Thursday comedy block and The Golden Girls, NBC had the sitcom game on lock for the rest of the decade. Who's the Boss moved to the lead 8 pm time slot for ABC Tuesday and it took off, giving ABC it's first Top 10 comedy since Three's Company. New comedy Growing Pains benefitted from the Who's the Boss lead in and finished in the Top 20 and second season drama Moonlighting (which had moved up from 10 pm to 9 pm) also benefitted from it's new lead ins and finished in the Top 30. ABC Tuesday had rebounded that season. 1985/86 saw NBC move up to #1, CBS drop to 2nd, and ABC once again finish 3rd. With the 1985/86 drop to 2nd, CBS needed to start fixing their lineup. This season they ended one fading and aging drama (Trapper John, M.D.), a drama that showed no signs of growth during its run (Airwolf), and a short-lived drama that couldn't maintain it's initial success due to counter-programming (Crazy Like a Fox). With the drop of Dallas from 2nd to 6th, the Top 10 fallouts of Simon & Simon, Knots Landing, and Falcon Crest, and the Top 30 fallout of Magnum, P.I., CBS should have realized that primetime soaps and action shows were no longer the big genres and given the shows an end date to have enough time to wrap up all their storylines. CBS continued to struggle with sitcoms as 1985/86 was the second consecutive season where they didn't renew any of their new sitcoms. Newhart and Kate & Allie were their only successful sitcoms since the end of the M*A*S*H/Sunday comedy block era and they were being overshadowed by the big NBC and ABC sitcoms.

Y&R reads like 10% good, 90% garbage time. Can't believe this is the lead up to the 50th anniversary.

We know Falcon Crest was big on casting Golden Age Hollywood stars for short arcs, but this YT video I came across points out some influences from classic films. The influences for Falcon Crest are mostly new to me as I don't think they've been discussed here before (most of the classic film influences for Dallas and Knots Landing have been discussed in their respective threads). Falcon Crest took elements from James Bond movies (international crime group, henchwomen, war criminals) but I can't pinpoint a specific James Bond movie that influenced any of the storylines. I think it was mentioned here that the season four war crimes storyline might have influenced by Raiders of the Lost Ark.

@Paul Raven Agree. Another missed opportunity was Ashland/Diane.

@Soapsuds All the Housewives shows are OTT 🤣 @NothinButAttitude Miami is worth following for Larsa Pippen/Marcus Jordan. I'm waiting for her to get called out and put on blast for the optics of that relationship.

I so thought we would get a Nate/Imani hookup. She was so thirsty shooting the shot at him. It looked like we were going to get a Noah/Audra hookup but it seems Noah (and by extension Allie) storyline has diminished.

I think we'll see a Nate/Victoria hookup.

There were four Friends of Jill from 1991-1993: Vincent Irizarry, Justin Deas, Marcy Walker, Marj Dusay. That same era also saw Mark Derwin become a Friend of Jill as I think she brought him over to One Life to Live.

The Leslie/Lorie confrontation where Lorie realizes Leslie is pregnant by Lance but trying to pass the child off as Lucas's would have been more powerful without Leslie being on the verge of collapse and Lorie shrieking. Compare that confrontation to Ashley/Nikki at the ranch where Nikki confronts Ashley about being involved with Victor. Ashley is trying to hold it together while Nikki gets in her face but there's no collapsing or shrieking in that confrontation.

@YRfan23 Bradley's version wasn't an exact redo of his father's work, but most of the elements were there.

@Paul Raven It makes sense to have 1973-1979 as the Growing Years and 1980-1982 as the Surviving Years.

@Y&R fan of oldies I break down Y&R eras as follows. Surviving Years 1973-1982: Cast changes, 1 hour expansion, early 1980s ratings drop in the face of increased competition from the huge rise of ABC. Thriving Years 1983-1998: Thriving for the most part, save for Cricket eating the show (Summer 1986-end of 1989), Nick and Sharon eating the show (Fall 1994-Spring 1996), the lull (Fall 1996-Summer 1997). Rise to #1 by toppling the ABC big three one-by-one and holding it's own against time slot competitor supercouple-era Days. Ratings dominance from the end of the 1988 writer's strike to the start of OJ, but the dominance would be threatened in the aftermath of OJ by the huge rise of time slot competitor Reilly's Days. Best years 1984 to first half of 1986, 1990 to first half of 1994, second half of 1997 to 1998. Tanking Years 1999-2005: Writer changes from Kay Alden to Jack Smith. Storylines that caused long term damage, ie. Jill's parentage, Cassie's death. Not Classic Years 2006-: LML, MAB, JFP, Mal Young, etc. John Abbott's death marked the end of an era.

Who Shot Roger was Nancy Curlee's last hurrah before leaving the writing team. Nancy is gone March 1994 yet JFP remained until May 1995.

@sheilaforever Amber arrived Summer 1997 and Rick and Bridget were SORASed again by the end of the year. Bradley would then reuse his father's work from a decade earlier, as Amber became Bradley's version of Nina. Later in 1998 Bradley would reuse his father's work again w/ Rick/Amber/Kimberly being Bradley's version of Phillip III/Nina/Cricket.

@divinemotion Second half of 1996 it felt like B&B was preparing to expand to 1 hour in time for its 10th anniversary but as we all know that didn't happen. There's a bit of a cast purge not long after the 10th anniversary.

It was so wrong yet so right to root for Roger and Holly. They may not have been together for most of that early 1990s golden era, but there was always something brewing between them. Someone here once described them as the anti-supercouple and that fits them perfectly. Whenever episodes from 1979 and 1980 that feature their storylines turn up, they are such a treat because those episodes set in motion so much of what we saw a decade later.

From what I've seen of Jaime Lyn Bauer's original Y&R run, she was made for primetime soaps. Her primetime roles were the short-lived NBC primetime soap Bare Essence, and guest star on The Love Boat and Knots Landing, but she eventually returned to daytime w/ Days.

Oh the shade 🤣 I'm disappointed that Jess Walton didn't get a special episode for her 35th anniversary last year.

There were hints that Grant shared a past with Taylor but then it was changed that they were college classmates and that was it. Somehow I don't think Bradley original plan was for Grant to make Brooke question her decade-long obsession with Ridge.