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That Jim and Kathryn scene was a long time coming, lots of history revealed there. Hanna and Kathryn are always a highlight. Cuckoo Bananas done gone and hit Wyatt upside the head. I know he was going to end up hurting him. Wyatt played him to the left and it was so obvious, but Cuckoo was so desperate that he couldn't even see it. And Wyatt did know that he was in the bed with him, I figured that he knew.

No, Candace didn't tell him, she didn't say anything either way, just told him to get out. Jeffrey let the truth out and then took it back. It will be interesting to see if his scheming comes out in the next episode or the finale. Veronica putting together the pieces was the best part of the episode and I agree that the actress played that scene very well.

I don't think Jeffrey is really in love with Wyatt, it's more like a twisted lust and childish clinging. Unfortunately, that's common in poor and/or urban communities (some non-urban ones too), many mothers put a man before their kids and chitlin circuit writers never shy away from using it as a theme.

Jeffrey is bonkers, he looked so unhinged in that scene where he was telling Laura to stay away. "If you love him, let him go" was ironic coming from Jeffrey, but I don't think he really loves Wyatt, I think he only lusts after him. Celine is stupid and desperate, she actually believed that Jim loved her, so she's crazy, too.

That scene with Jim and Candace was very violent, I was not expecting that at all. Jeffrey is a freakin' psycho, I think he's going to end up trying to violate Wyatt and it will tie in with the whole abuse story. Tyler Perry can get twisted with stories sometimes, I could see it going there. Veronica was a badass in the last scene when she took those pictures out and threw them around.

Last night's episode was the highest rated so far http://variety.com/2013/tv/ratings/owns-haves-have-nots-hits-series-high-sets-network-mark-1200570620/

Jeffrey is possessive, I wouldn't be surprised if he turned into a raging psycho, the whole sniffing the dirty shirt thing was kinda nutty and so was the whole getting teed off at Wyatt's woman showing up. Veronica was rude to Hanna about being a maid. A lot of black people wouldn't be professionals today if their parents hadn't done domestic work. Hanna did manage to throw some shade at her about knowing her son well, Veronica had it coming. For a second, Veronica looked at Benny sort of moony. It would be interesting if they ended up entangled, I see more potential chemistry there than Benny had with the Darcy character. All the double entendres in Candace and Wyatt's conversation were hilarious.

When Celine accused Hanna and Kathryn of being lesbians, I was rolling. She is so out there, it's funny. Hanna praying with David was a very dramatic scene, but not to far off from what some very religious, black mothers might do if their child was in serious trouble and they were scared out of their mind. The scene made me cry. Kathryn speech at the beginning was brilliant and it's clear that she's probably the only person who can really match Candace, because Candace was speechless.

The saying "a fool and his money are soon parted" applies to some conservatives well. And the only things they want to hear are things that they like, everything else is considered biased or false.

You quoted me in this thread, so I responded here. Most of the people you list are broke as a joke and I wasn't really talking about political ethics issues. I was referring to how a whole lot of conservatives look to make money off sometimes gullible hardline conservatives. Santorum's goal has more to do with money than it does principle.

Al Sharpton has nothing to do with this at all, I'm talking about how conservatives have a big racket going on to make money. There was a guy selling website subscriptions who claimed all through the election that every poll was biased against Romney and he turned to be wrong. Glenn Beck was spokesperson for gold companies with sketchy practices and let's not forget Christine O'Donnell using campaign funds to pay her rent. The list goes on and on, but there is plenty to suggest that conservatives run games to make money by playing off conservative views.

Celine is a trip, so insane. "He doesn't like black women", rofl, the hell he don't, she has no clue who Jim was with when she was going on her deranged rant. Amanda really played a dangerous game listening to Candace, that professor is crazy. David knows that Hanna and Candace are related, this should be interesting.

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Candace telling that sob story and then running in the bathroom laughing cracked me up, she is a trip. The revelation of Benny's father was a little quick, but I'm thinking that the writers want to give Hanna some more story and get more into her background. I think Wyatt was trying to figure how Jeffrey really feels about him in order to manipulate him later, it's obvious that Wyatt wants out of rehab. Plus, he has already threatened Jeffrey with that video (which Jeffrey doesn't know about), so I think he may end up blackmailing Jeffrey at some point.

It would be interesting if David was more understanding or even accepting of Jeffrey than Veronica is. It's always the mother that's portrayed as the most understanding parent, so for the father to be the understanding one for a change would be a good move.

Candace is paid off, yet Jim turns around and sleeps with her again, real smart. LOL at Veronica saying she's from the South Side of Chicago. She was not a match for Candace either, she got chewed up. Buzzed Kathryn was so funny, that crazy expression she had cracked me up. Celine flipped out of Hanna, so it looks like they might be adversaries instead of friends from this point on.

I was just making the point that it's not the first time ever that a series has had an episode order into the 30s. OWN was struggling last year, so it's not really that surprising that they'd order more episodes of a show that has brought them the best ratings they've had so far.

Big episode orders aren't new. Melrose Place had an average of 32 episodes per season, with the highest being 35. Back in the 50s, some sitcoms were averaging up to 38 episodes per season, hence why Leave It To Beaver ended up with 234 episodes in just six seasons. Perry has a strong, loyal audience and his own studios, pair that with strong ratings and you get very shrewd reasoning for OWN to put in a generous episode order.

I don't see Candace as just a villain, she is portrayed much more vulnerable in scenes with Benny and once the writers get further into her being a mother, I think more redeeming qualities will show. If you look at the primetime soap villains of the past, most of them were nasty most of the time and only had one or two, maybe three other characters that they showed a softer side with (JR, Alexis and Abby were all like this, Abby being the tamest of the three).

The Youngs were better developed than the Cryers, that's for sure and I think that the Cryers do need to be fleshed out. Kathryn is getting there, as this week's episode advanced her somewhat.

I didn't know what David's angle was, but putting Candace in Veronica's cross-hairs is an interesting twist. Candace and David's scene was intense, both of them trying to one up each other. When she threw herself to the floor, I wasn't expecting that at all. Once again, Crystal Fox and Tika Sumpter really deliver, they are off the chain good.

I enjoyed the Candace and Benny scene, at this point, he's the only person she really has any respect for and the only one who seems a bit blinded by her. David is tougher than Jim, but even he couldn't really take on Candace. I laughed when she called him on getting excited when she's started talking about choking. "Hug your mother". Seriously creepy, robotic line. She definitely knows the truth about Jeffrey, you can tell how she looks at him and how she reacted over the bracelet. The way Candace again treated her mother as she if she didn't know her, but subtly taunted her was brilliant.

I like how Candace refuses to back down no matter how much Jim threatens her. Good character development of Katheryn and her relationship with Jim in this episode, it was made clear she is no idiot and is quite tough.

Tika Sumpter is brilliant, no doubt about it, she completely sells the traditional soap villain the way actresses used to be able to sell and the writing decent. Candace is a character that rips adversaries apart like JR, Alexis and Abby. I'm really going to enjoy that character. Crystal Fox is brilliant too, I've loved her acting since In The Heat of the Night. Her scenes with Tika were electric.

He also used public dollars to take the trip, he paid it back, but that fact of the matter he shouldn't have used it in the first place.