Kane
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@DRW50 I feel like Clay being an imposter was always the plan. Otherwise why send someone ahead to "warn" the family that Clay had to have extensive plastic surgery and they wouldn't recognize him? I also feel like Rick exists because of the imposter story, since he's the means by which Ava discovers the truth (and this is really the only function that Rick serves that Curtis couldn't have).
Alex hating Gwyneth more than Clay ever did makes a bit of sense if you consider that he came to Corinth having only gotten Clay's version of their story, which doubtless sanitized Clay's own misdeeds (and, of course, Gwyneth didn't exactly cover herself in glory with all she'd been up to since leaving the real Clay in France)
The show continued to get mileage out of the conflict between Clay and Alex practically until the end, but I've always found it a bit curious that they never seemed to revisit the tension between Alex and Gwyneth later on. When Gwyneth is working with the police in '95, you'd never know that Alex and Gwyn were ever anything other than cordial if you didn't know their history. But perhaps that speaks to the loss of continuity post-1992 that @dc11786 spoke of in an earlier post.
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32 minutes ago, CrazySexyQ said: A lot of the actors still seem to be close after all these years. I'm glad Rebecca is getting much-needed support right now.
Does anyone know if Christine Tudor played older than her actual age for Gwyneth? During the Loving mystery, I started googling. I'm shocked she didn't win an Emmy ---wasn't even nominated! But I saw that she's around the same age as Michael Weatherly and Laura Wright, who were part of the younger set at the time.
Her IMDB listed age is almost certainly incorrect, as it would mean that she was only 17 when she started on the show in 1984. That said, she was playing a character much older than herself, as Gwyneth would have been born in about 1944, given Rick's stated year of birth. I would guess that she was born sometime in the 1950s and is probably about the same age as Callan White (who was also playing a character about decade older than she was).
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I think Brian Bodine on All My Children and AJ on General Hospital would line up? Phillips started on Guiding Light in 1991, Brian was recast with Matt Borlenghi in early 1991, and AJ was recast with Gerald Hoskins in summer 1991. Or maybe that Eckert cousin? I think he was on screen before Hoskins' AJ.
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@slick jones The two uploads below have an actress temping as Trisha. Voice over (54:12 mark of video #71) announces her as Catherine Lisk (not sure about the spelling).
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12 minutes ago, EricMontreal22 said: I really tuned out the storyline even when it aired (and back then I used to watch AMC closely--so that says something.) From what I recall, Anton (who felt betrayed when he found out Dimitri was his father) and Corvina teamed up with Kendall--for some reason inside an antique ceramic leopard were papers that proved that Anton was the rightful heir to Wildwind. But it turned out Kendall (I think with Anton and Corvina's knowledge) had forged them??
Anton wasn't in on it. Like @Jonathan I had a vague memory of this storyline and I found the episode below, where Erica and Corvina fight over the leopard and it breaks, revealing a written "confession" that the midwife who delivered both Dimitri and Corvina switched them at birth. The confession is written in Hungarian, so I assume that Corvina must have been the forger, but that the idea for the plot came from Kendall.
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4 hours ago, Franko said: @Kane, the newest batch of uploads includes one that wasn't in your collection -- Friday, Dec. 11, 1992. If that's not enough to cheer about, we've also got Trucker revealing his clean bill of health to Trisha by standing in his (ugly) underwear.
Those shorts were something else. These uploads have come in such a wide variety of eras, it's great!
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It's strange because Isabelle doesn't really have any story from 1983-1989. Cabot is involved in plenty of stuff, but Isabelle seems to be used mostly as a talk to for various members of the Alden family and for about a year from mid-1987 to mid-1988 Dabney is taken off contract and I think only shows up for big events like weddings. Then comes 1990 and she gets a bunch of story (in addition to the face cream plot, there's also a plot where she thinks Cabot is having an affair with Ava), and then she's part of the exodus of characters written out in 1991, only to be brought back at the end of the year with a new actor in the role.
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The story where Isabelle was burned with face cream was during Dabney's tenure, when Amourelle/Clay was battling Tempest/Jack & Alex. Clay stole the formula from Tempest, not realizing that it was an old rejected formula that Dane had planted for him to steal. He rushed the face cream into production and gave a jar to Isabelle, who got disfigured using it and then for some reason blamed Jack instead of Clay. This was then used to give Isabelle a motive so that she could be a red herring in the "who shot Jack?" story.
Barry took over the role when Isabelle was in the hospital after having a heart attack. Holm played the initial part of that story and was in the role when Isabelle convinced Clay and Gwyneth to remarry as her "deathbed" wish, which in turn caused about five scenes worth of conflict between Clay and Dinah Lee before Clay and Gwyneth's hasty remarriage and hastily annulled.
Dabney is the only Isabelle for me, too. If they wanted to bring on Holm, they should have brought her on as a new character, Isabelle's sister, maybe, or maybe Cabot's sister who, having lost all her money, invites herself to move back into the family home and starts driving Isabelle crazy by playing lady of the manor.
A little easter egg: while watching All My Children on Pluto TV I caught a inter-episode snippet of an interview with Agnes Nixon where she tells a story about once seeing a psychic named Mrs. Quackenbush. During her 93/94 tenure writing Loving, Nixon has Ava see a psychic named Mrs. Quackenbush to try to help her sort out the visions from her trip to heaven, and to perform a seance to try to contact Trisha only to be told that Trisha isn't on the other side.
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1 hour ago, Franko said: More vintage uploads have turned up, both from March-April 1989 and May 1986. I'll see if I can't pinpoint the dates.
@Kane, @CrazySexyQ, @EricMontreal22, @DRW50, @dc11786, @Vee, @Paul Raven, @titan1978, @Khan, @soapfan770, @Liberty City ... and anyone else I may have missed.
Thank you! Amazing!
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58 minutes ago, Jonathan said: I'm watching on Pluto right now and my gosh Arlene is horny for Alec. My gosh, get it together woman.
Man, I remember watching these episodes when they originally aired when I was an impressionable pre-teen. It's wild watching that rough Alec/Arlene sex scene today, when shows have gotten so chaste.
43 minutes ago, Jonathan said: One nice touch is that between episodes, they’re sprinkling in archival AMC clips and actor soundbites. Just now there was a clip from a 1980s episode featuring Cliff and Nina’s wedding, plus Benny and Phoebe. Then there was a soundbite from Susan Lucci reflecting on Agnes Nixon’s writing.
Loving the stuff they're showing in between episodes. They just showed part of an interview with Agnes where she talks about her time at Guiding Light and how she got pushback P&G over a black character going to a white character's front door and ringing the bell, and how that experience informed how she approached her deal with ABC when she was creating One Life to Live and the Carla storyline.
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4 hours ago, DRW50 said: Weren't there rumors of some GL actors in the mid/late '00s having fights in a dressing room (or sex in a dressing room, or both)?
I think that was Wendy Moniz and Frank Grillo having sex in a dressing room. If I recall correctly, Hunt Block alluded to it in an interview when he was on GL.
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11 hours ago, Maxim said: I'll have to look her up now. Thank you for saying her name.
Ah! That is so nice to hear. 🥰 That also means we are watching very close in period. May I ask you... who are your favorite characters in this era... I think I'm mostly compelled by Dorian, Viki... and now Marty. Before that - Blair was my favorite. I also have a soft spot for the Gannon women - Rachel and Nora.
Bo and Nora are my favorites. Viki, Dorian, Marty, and Jason are also high on my list and I enjoy Asa a lot, even though he can be jerk.
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2 hours ago, Maxim said: They had this new actress as Mortimer's mother (quite the charming lady)
That would be absolute icon Elaine Stritch.
Nice to see your recaps back. I've been digging into this era recently myself (I'm in October '93 right now) and I've really enjoyed your perspective and enthusiasm for the show.
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15 hours ago, DRW50 said: There's some footage from about 11 to 14 minutes. I think the Ava and Alex scenes may already be around, but a few snippets are new to me. Most notably a promo for Steve and Trisha's wedding, which looks gorgeous. If there's footage out there of their wedding, I had forgotten about it.
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Just tagging people because there are a number of other soap clips in here too (AW, OLTL, ATWT), and I didn't want to put it everywhere. Most of these clips are probably already around but I am never sure (especially with ATWT).
Thanks for the tag!
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4 minutes ago, alwaysAMC said: I liked Juan Pablo more than Carlos, but yeah, both didn't really last long. Wasn't that all part of the Fusion Sex and the City thing they were going for?
The only thing I remember about Juan Pablo is an outtake where Rebecca Budig cracked up because his accent made it sound like he was calling her "a work of fart."
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18 minutes ago, DeeVee said: They would have had to retcon that because I can't think of one female character on GL who fits that description.
A teen widow? Wasn't he a Vietnam vet? Sounds like she could have been one of his comrade's wives, though that once again would make Lucy a lot older than AM.
Yes, her husband was a war buddy of Buzz's and Buzz met her when he went to report to her about her husband's death. I might be confusing the details, but I think Buzz may have been accidentally responsible for his death and the army covered it up by giving him a medal.
Lucy was born in 1973, as she has her 21st birthday onscreen in 1994.
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4 hours ago, GL95 said: Buzz grifting an older woman wouldn’t have been out of character at that point though giving Hawk a secret daughter wouldn’t have been at all unbelievable.
Notwithstanding that retcons happen all the time, when Buzz tells Nadine about Lucy's mother he describes her as being a young widow, like 19/20-ish. Her being young and unable to take care of herself is part of his justification for why he stayed with her.
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1 hour ago, alwaysAMC said: I guess behind the scenes, the actress wanted to leave, so I’ll be curious to see what they do with Buzz and the boys going forward.
I'm not sure if it's true or just a rumor, but I remember hearing that leaving wasn't her choice, but a punishment for her speaking out about Michael Zaslow's firing.
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8 minutes ago, P.J. said: I don't remember a lot of AM/Lucy, but there was a point early on when she said she was going to marry him, and of course, she ended up marrying him. That was cute.
Yes, near New Year's 1993, Alan-Michael asked her what her resolution was and she told him that her resolution was to marry him. This freaked him out a little and led to him sort of ghosting her on NYE, but by the time it hit midnight they had made up and rang in the new year by making out.
@alwaysAMC Like you, I got drawn into the show in 1995 (except in real time). I enjoyed the Lucy/AM story and when it was over I stumbled across someone who was selling edits focused on their storyline from 1993 through to Rick Heart's departure (back in the days when you'd get the edits on VHS). I think you'll enjoy the first go-round of their relationship in 93-94. There's some cute, romantic comedy type stuff in there.
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Loving/The City Discussion Thread
in DTS: Cancelled Soaps
My theory is that the Phantom Trisha story was originally conceived as Robert Tyler's exit story. His contract expired in the summer of '94 but he ended up extending it for six months, ostensibly to "wrap up" Trucker's story, which I've always found somewhat odd since Trucker's actual exit just ends up being a variation on this story anyway and the show didn't really do anything interesting with Trucker once Dinah Lee was recast. There's literally an episode during the Gilbert saga where Trucker is tagging along with Alex and Charles and he's just... there, doing nothing.
I think the plan was going to be that Trucker would go off to Italy to chase after Trisha and Jeff, and Dinah Lee would get involved with Buck and there would be a brief Curtis/Dinah Lee/Buck/Stacey quad, then Dinah Lee would die in the plane crash. Part of the reason why I think so is that what plays out on screen is Trucker and Dinah Lee return from Italy, they immediately break up, Dinah Lee starts hanging out with Buck (and Philip Brown plays it like Buck is falling for Dinah Lee, and there's plenty of lingering looks between them), and then the crash happens. I don't think Janie was originally supposed to die because the show was doing a great job integrating the character into the cast and having her mix it up with various characters, and Dinah Lee's death would have meant a lot more to Ava (who predicted that someone would die). I think Tyler extending threw a wrench into things because it would have been brutal to have him not find Trisha and then have him lose Dinah Lee in the plane crash, hence the change to Janie being the one to die.