wonderwoman1951
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actually, it was ‘peyton place,’ in 1964. irna phillips was an advisor.
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True, but I just remember they double down with MADD and Springfield, which looked like a "real" town with people of all ages as extras....suddenly was full of models for extras and day players. agreed, but valente really started the ball rolling when he cast model, john howard (not much more than hair and cheekbones), as paul ryan. MADD kicked off the ABCification of ‘world turns when she replaced valente with felicia mini behr, who immediately replaced alyson taylor rice as connor with susan battan. d don’t recall the same influx of abc soap actors on gl.
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I actually find that refreshing this goes back to the earliest days of television soaps. the radio serials were all out of chicago. but when the move to tv began in the late 1940s, production moved to nyc and cast from the stage actors there. i think this is also part of why it was easy to tell the new york soaps from the west coast shows. because back in the day, aspiring actors who wanted to be in movies went to the west coast; those who wanted to be on stage went to nyc. hard to articulate exactly why, but the difference was apparent. eta: can’t remember exactly where, but since we’re discussion actors’ looks, someone commented that when MADD took over at PGP, she began replacing actors with models on ‘world turns. that actually began when john valente took over as ep in 1995, i suspect with some ‘encouragement’ from cbs.
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just took a look on amazon, where the entire series can be had for less than $100 — not as awful as i would have expected. in addition to dana delany, who was on ‘world turns in the early ‘80s, i remembered another soap connection: in a memorable episodes from the last season, ‘small step,’ finn carter (sierra from ‘world turns) plays a nurse who helps boonie heal after he’s lost his leg.
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would love this! guessing that there were some adult beverages involved in the oltl interviews. jerry verdorn’s 1996 emmy reel is on youtube, but not his 1995, which is the one i really want to see. there’s a scene between ross and ed the morning of ross and blake’s wedding that is just perfect.
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according to his emmy legends interview, when douglas cramer (who had been a supervising producer@atwt) came to new program development @ abc, he approached irna phillips about creating a nightly drama series. pgp said no and cramer turned to ‘peyton place.,’ hoping irna would write the serial. but abc wanted monash, who had written a well-received episode of ‘the untouchables.’ monash hated the idea of pp as a soap; it was he who called it ‘a high class anthology drama.’ since monash had no idea how to serialize a story, cramer brought irna on as a consultant. reportedly, the relationship between irna and monash was, shall we say, less than collegial.
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alan states on his linkedin profile that he’s actively looking for PR work. so, it’s likely more than just loyalty to previous employers; it how what he’s doing now appears to prospective employers. and he may feel that allowing people to badmouth pgp could jeopardize future work. not at all suggesting that the criticism isn’t justified — just that his perspective and interest differ from fans.
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So outside of Carl & Gary thats probably why no other fan faves returned maybe… i heard from a former soap journalist (and a huge aw fan) that goutman wanted to bring back beverlee mckenzie for the finale, but pgp said no. figuring that pgp was still smarting from beverlee’s abrupt gl departure a few years earlier. always wondered if incident this played any role in goutman’s behavior when atwt sent off the air.
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not surprising at all since irna phillips, who wrote ‘our private world,’ was involved in the development of peyton place.
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with some stiff competition from jackie zeman
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the best of everything — novel to film to soap (premiered on the same day as ‘a world apart’
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re lois smith: one of my favorite actresses. check her out in in the wigs series ‘ruth and erica.’ can’t remember where i read it, so i don’t remember the details. but lois smith wasn’t available, so eileen fulton was cast as ‘world turns’ lisa. hard to imagine how that role would have evolved had smith been cast.
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if it were only a working relationship that bell was leaving, yes, irna’s grudge would be petty. but, as i noted about, there was also a longstanding personal relationship between bill and irna, so i’ve always felt that puts a different spoon on irna’s grudge. i had forgotten the details. i just looked at his oral history of television interview, where he talked about ted corday approaching him about days… bell talks about not being able to do 2 shows, days.. and guiding light. but, by that time, he was working with irna on ‘world turns. have to keep in mind that interview took place in 1998, and it’s pretty clear that bell was already deep into the alziheimer’s that would kill him in 2005. also going to reread ken corday’s memoir to see what he has to say.
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she felt betrayed when bill decided he couldn’t continue writing both days… and ‘world turns and chose days… from then on, she saw him as competition. there’s even a school of thought that she agreed to do ‘love is a many splendored thing’ because it was airing opposite days… and she (and fred silverman) thought liamst would destroy days… in the ratings. when that didn’t happen, irna left the show.
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indeed! but her relationship with bill bell was complicated. unlike agnes nixon, who was in philadelphia and worked with irna from a distance, bell sat at the card table in irna’s living room for almost 10 years. so she likely missed his company. and over those 10 years, he had provided a lot of support for irna with her children, with whom she had a difficult relationship. i also think irna may have thought of bell as something of a surrogate son.
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it’s been a while since i read ken corday’s memoir, but from what i remember, he said that it was irna who encouraged his father to create his own show. she is credited as a co-creator of days… i know there were some lawsuits filed over this (one, i think by her daughter, after irna’s death). i believe irna’s son is still receiving royalties. i also recall that when ted was diagnosed with cancer shortly after days… premiered, irna helped to take up the slack. but, when bill bell took over as headwriter after ted’s death, irna took that as a personal betrayal and, according to bell, the two never spoke again.
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don’t know about marland and carly, but according to the kindle single, as the world stopped turning… “When As the World Turn’s head writer, Richard Culliton, first pitched the character of Carly Tenney to executive producer Laurence Caso in early 1995, both saw Carly as the troubled girl who would eventually bring the complexity and longevity of Reva Shayne to Oakdale.”
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i did wonder if he had might have bought a paid obituary in the times. one afternoon i was in copley square with some time to kill, so i stopped at the boston public library and looked through the january 1974 ny times on microfiche — found nothing. i suspect someone misread what he had written and it took on a life of its own — one more urban legend.
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except lemay did not write her obituary, and did not say he did in ‘eight years…’ here’s what he did write: "Bob Short phoned me the Sunday before Christmas to tell me Irna Phillips had died unexpectedly in her sleep. The news surprised and saddened me for she had seemed indestructible after forty years of creating concurrent worlds of love, divorce, disease, desertion, and illegitimate babies. I glanced through the New York Times for her obituary for several days but none appeared. Dorothy [Lemay's wife] called the newspaper and informed them that the grand old lady of soap opera had died, a fact that some of their readers might find of interest. A week after her death, a brief obituary appeared but it did scant justice to the woman who almost single-handedly evolved the storytelling form that dominates daytime television screens. I did not get along very well with Irna Phillips, but my admiration of her had grown immeasurably as I fought to win acceptance for my ideas. . . ." the obituary he referenced was written by the associated press, and indeed, ‘did scant justice…’
