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Nope. I know that one on sight (including when they try to be subtle). Kimmy's previous ID is in my sig.

I always suspected Goutman and possibly Sheffer wanted to pair Craig and Lily, yes. Didn't Goutman actually do it or tease it near the end with the irregulars (Beck and Lindstrom)? The show was completely alien to me by then on far more levels.

Ehlers was a very talented actress who got lazy onscreen and whose career ended poorly by her own choices. I'm ready to add to my sig if you are!

I remember that. I liked BAB but talk about a miscast.

Nice.

Still only about a quarter through LM. Making it last and spacing it out with other stuff. Didn't see a lot of the early weeks as a kid. Ava mentions her Uncle Harry and premonitions - was this from her coma dream a year before? How long ago was it? I was under the impression those premonitions had to do with '94 stories, not the LM. The shot of what appears to be Trisha leaving Curtis' therapy chamber is so creepy.

Time and experience have shown that generally the BTS problems with Crystal Chappell's stints at various shows was Crystal Chappell, and I say that as someone who even loved her on OLTL. Speaking of, I've said this before but around 2003 if it'd been up to me I'd have recast Hope with Catherine Hickland, along with Roscoe Born as Alan Spaulding, with the intent to re-pair them. In this rich fantasy world, McKinsey would've come out of retirement (haha!) to play Alex, who would bring Hope back to town to destabilize Alan.

LOL I don't know what fantasy camp this is but I'm not seeing any indicator of beef with LW and Zimmer.

I posted it earlier, but yes that McConnell piece is essential.

Amusing that Kurt McKinney and Beth Chamberlin got booked on the same episode of Power as husband and wife without realizing til they got there.

I never watched back then but Bryan Buffinton can get it!

There were rumors about Carla being cast in '11. Not sure how legit they were. Still making my way through LM. As much as I love LLC, any time Lisa Peluso enters the scene her force of presence and chemistry with the delightful (and DILF) Randolph Mantooth dwarfs Lo Cicero's decent chemistry with him. Unpopular? opinion: I think Steffi and cute little Richard have real chemistry too.

I'd forgotten Lorraine's debut episode on TC was already on YT - much earlier than I thought, January '96. They do discuss Charles. I hope I can finally see Steffi and Cooper's exit. I think Erica would've worked on TC provided it was kept to six months to a year - no longer, though she could visit. Home needed to be AMC. Garin Wolf tried to revisit Tracy's TC ties to the Soleitos in 2011. It didn't go well.

I see Russell finally got to pull the trigger on outing Luke - a development hinted at near the end of Sarah Jane Adventures, but halted when Lis died and the show was forced to end production. Unless I am misreading I believe he also just made Tegan and Nyssa a couple....

Our benefactor has begun posting The City. I may rewatch a bit to see how it holds up beyond the amazing production/style and intriguing characters. My ex was obsessed with the same writing team's attempt at TC to do a follow-up to the Loving Murders when its ratings dipped - "The Masquerade." I don't remember much of that, but the promotional campaign was near-identical. The writers, Brown and Esensten, later had very mixed runs at Port Charles (which succeeded LOV/TC), GL and AMC. At PC they shepherded its transformation into an overtly gothic, telenovela-ized supernatural soap complete with vampires, werewolves and angels. At GL they did a third run at rehashing the Loving Murders with the "Nursery Rhyme Stalker" story, which sucked. At AMC they worked with Agnes Nixon to refocus the show on a beloved core family - their key Hubbards from LOV/TC, with the return of Debbi Morgan, Darnell Williams and a new Frankie (Cornelius Smith).

Charles does have at least one great scene early on; his hilarious double-act with Alex. Mantooth is in perfect mischievous form and Geoffrey Ewing plays off him beautifully. "Don't call me 'white man!'" I never found Charles super compelling, but Ewing gave the material his all and plays the collapse of his marriage to Angie and especially his rediscovery of love with Lorraine beautifully. Lisa Peluso was best known not long after this for a breakout role in the last years of AW, as a Southern belle comedienne. But the role that grabs me is Ava. Peluso fills Agnes Nixon's Erica Kane/Rachel Davis mold well, but evolves it as Victoria Wyndham did in a different way. Peluso was also a soap lifer, a child star who'd bounced all over, from Search for Tomorrow to a throwaway teen role on garish Paul Rauch OLTL that she still made crackle. Underrated star then and now. Be sure to watch her with Dinah Lee in the 1993 eps. I think the darker character throughlines for the Aldens in the Loving Murders are all there, esp in the early '90s episodes sprinkled through the thread recently. Clay's summation of himself in his final episodes is damning and links back to the '93 material for both him and Gwyneth. Certainly some of the other material is tacky.

Interesting that in '93 (Trisha's final episodes) they were still shelling out money for excellent film score music cues from Presumed Innocent and Jennifer Eight - playing during the scenes with Ava/Dinah Lee and Curtis/Gwyneth among others. I thought Linda Gottlieb had popularized using film scores at OLTL, but I've heard others in '80s episodes of soaps pre-dating her. Either way I know those scores and they work very well here, particularly the sinister title theme from Jennifer Eight when Gwyneth tells her son to leave Corinth and never come back to save himself from their family. Very prescient for '95.

Longer thread.

It always cracked me up. I already loved Debbi and Darnell and was happy about the ending, but when Angie crowed 'livin' for the sit-tay!" and they shooped outta frame I remember thinking 'man, if I watched Loving a long time I'd be pissed,' lol. I didn't mind the link between shows. But to me TC was incredible stylistically and production-wise but largely a huge waste of creative potential. The concept worked. If they'd done that show right it might still be standing today.

The 'protests' are absolutely funded by Tea Party-style astroturfing. Not working as well this time.

Same here. She floored me on ATWT in '03(?).