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Most of the Beltway never admitted they got rolled on Iraq, nor have most admitted fault re: Trump. They're all rewinding back to 2001 warhawk mode over this, it's pretty amazing to see them behaving like they did in the days when Rumsfeld, Cheney, et al were the supposed sworn authorities on the Middle East and not global punchlines for deceit and shame. This'll blow over in about a week IMO. It's one of those unique media things, like New York journos obsessed with the local races or Beltway folks trying to make Rubio or Pawlenty happen, that never quite resonate in the real world because it is about them and their deep relationships with their sources inside Defense. They think they can make this happen, but the polling isn't going to go with them and that's just going to infuriate them more. So from now on you'll see backhanded, grudging references in media to "Biden's failure in Afghanistan" for the next four years which we'll all call out and they'll do nothing about even though their audience doesn't care, because the first rule of Beltway journalism is Listen to the Generals when they talk off the record. I think the refugee situation is important to get onto in any way possible at this point, but as for media takes on Afghanistan this is pretty much where I tune them out for the next week or so. They'll sulk as they realize the public still doesn't care and the above will become the new status quo.

Biden has finally done what should've been over a decade ago, and the Beltway is pissed. Some of their closest sources have always been military.

The media is going to be talking about it for days, or weeks. But it's not going to matter to the public or the polls, because only the Beltway has these symbiotic relationships with the Pentagon brass where they can never be questioned or challenged on forever needing 'six more months.' It's tragic what's happening in Afghanistan, but to most of the country this episode is simply the sad end to an ugly pursuit we should never have entered into.

The media desperately wants Afghanistan to be the issue, but it won't be. The public doesn't care. It has wanted us out for over a decade. The Beltway media, which have endless contacts inside DOD and the military and are hugely sympathetic to their sources, will be outraged for them. That's why you'll never, ever hear a network or NYT/Post journalist question the wisdom of the endless military strategy of 'six more months.' They'll stay mad, but it's not going to have any impact on the public or polling. Because the majority of the people have known Afghanistan is unwinnable for years. The only people it matters to now is the brass and the DC journalists who adore them.

Another one for the pile. I don't know who on that set hasn't been vaxxed, and my sympathies are with Big Steve atm. But I do know that whoever it is that's been spreading it there, whether it's one actor, multiple actors, crew etc. needs to be fired. Full stop.

You're being plural when you should be singular and speak for you. This isn't kindergarten. When "we" need to remind "ourselves", we'll do it ourselves. No one needs your help to explain to us why GH, a show that has zero Black frontburner characters and no LGBT contract players, is not really conservative. All of network daytime is conservative, because it believes as it has for several decades that its audience is predominantly white conservatives who need to be coddled and catered to. That's why this show is what it is in 2021. So no, these conversations are really not that different.

I may not love the relentlessly horny fixations that sometimes overtake threads or the sixth grade mentality it engenders, but it's time to pause. Ever since you have shown up here you have felt the need to explain things to people like they're five. So yes, let's be blunt: You've been here about six minutes and you think you came to educate the forum, but in practice you often have a very poor grasp of the facts you discuss. You state obvious things we all knew years ago and then act like you just dropped knowledge. And whenever you've been actually proven wrong on facts about these shows, particularly BTS information, you retreat from the topic entirely as though it were a debate society and people should be invested in convincing you. These are not debates. Nobody needs to convince you, and nobody needs your help understanding anything. We are all aware these characters, even Spencer who has pinged since childhood, are being portrayed as heterosexual. This lack of shading or diversity in these shows' ensembles, is precisely because the shows are conservative. If you are unable to process two distinct sets of non-exclusive facts, that is your failure of imagination. You are not the rational, sensible poster you believe you are. You don't think before you speak and you often don't know much about topics this board has hashed out in discussion for over a decade. Read more and talk less.

Just like Georgia? They can try.

I know I'm not the only one who got a very specific vibe from the way Martha Byrne tiptoed around talking about Goutman last year on the various ATWT reunions.

Uh-oh!

This is what I've been saying - like the Georiga runoffs, a growing drumbeat of discontent. Don't count '22 out yet.

Carly has wanted Jason for virtually all of their adult lives. She has never gotten over him, excepting a brief period where Guza almost evolved her past him when Sarah was still in the role. She would go back in a split second. I'd be amazed if Steve allows Jason to bed Carly again. He has vetoed that for decades.

Saw the original Sharlene, Lemay muse Laurie Heineman, today in Save the Tiger with Jack Lemmon (along with DS alumni Lara Parker and Thayer David). She's brilliant as Lemmon's hippie muse who just wants "peace, harmony and to make it with Mick Jagger". I've only seen a bit of her work on the show but I wonder WEHT her.

I always thought it was classy for GH to bring back Angie to see Steve and GH for the anniversary in 1993.

Yep. Say what you will about mid-90s Days, but it was relentlessly horny and Dee, Drake, Eileen, RKK (for better or worse lol) and Lisa brought it. Sex dripped off the show and it's what I most remember beyond the gothic operatic excess of style that Reilly could never equal in the scripts.

Crystal's webseries was bad, looked like cable access and she was clearly grifting horny old lesbians, that's why we critiqued her.

Jane was talking about Deidre doing her hair for her regularly as recently as 2014 in the press, I believe. They seemed to still be very close as BFFs unless I've missed something since. Crystal did ace herself out of a longer run at Days because she's a mess offscreen and seems to have always been. I actually loved her Maggie at OLTL despite some goofy turns - I liked the initial character and I liked her with James DePaiva. It was the writing that fumbled it later. The Langan Salem High years were absolute dogshit to me.

CC has been like that at every show she worked on. Dee was right to pull rank.

I didn't know Christie was fired. Big mistake. Crystal has never been the sharpest knife. Imagine getting into it with Deidre Hall in the early 1990s!

I understand people being conflicted about Missy. In her youth she had such a spark and spontaneity that took a long time to go away, even in the 2000s. But she's looked old and tired to me for many years, and the personal bled into the screen persona in a few ways long ago IMO. I feel for her strange situation with her husband, but she's also making her own choices (much like Banus or possibly another female lead at GH). I usually wouldn't get behind a foundational recast like this one, but Cady I felt did an excellent job in what should've been Mission: Impossible. I doubt Corday would ever cut Missy loose for good, so I assume if this is true she will be the incumbent Jennifer going forward. But for my money it's a mistake and it should be Cady McClain, especially with DAYS potentially reinventing itself online. And if Missy refuses to be vaccinated, which will soon be the law of the land in many workplaces, she should be dismissed permanently.