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You can trip over a pothole in this town and hit ten cute white dudes with washboard abs. They don't all get dual roles!

For a number of years now.

Lynch pays tribute to Angelo Badalamenti:

Valentin is both the most convoluted and least interesting, corniest male lead on the show.

If he's out I'd love to see Tyler back, but Tyler was very candid and honest about his addictions and issues recently and as some of us have said before, I'm not sure it would be the best thing for his health.

I was not a huge fan of the second season of this show and always meant to catch up, so this is kind of outrageous. They're literally pulling the entire series from the service (and probably re-offering it as "FAST"-tier material later). This is insane.

They kissed yet? Someone didn't want to quarantine?

Very sad. His music is immortal.

I was fine with offing Nash who was always meh to me. The story was good. Jared was a big blow.

Elise Neal (Janie, LOV) confirms what I've known for 25 years: The original Scream 2 script leaked before its release in 1997. In that original draft, Elise Neal and Jerry O'Connell's characters were two of the main killers - they were psychos in love, modeling themselves after Juliette Lewis and Woody Harrelson's characters from Natural Born Killers and hoping to obtain fame and notoriety in the same way. It was a brilliant, forward-thinking twist with some great monologues for Elise, and I was one of the crazed fans who read it ahead of time online. The production then hastily rewrote the film to change the ending, give the film a much more obvious killer which weakens the third act of the movie, and has spent decades lying about it being a 'dummy script' since. But anyone who knows Kevin Williamson's work knows it was real. It should've stayed in, and I'm glad Elise has confirmed it.

I mean, again, they've tried to fire her twice and now the only time she gets story is when it's used to service the unpopular OLTL stars. I feel like that is enough evidence. My point now is, if they know they can't fire her and they use her fanbase to leverage their favorites, why not let their favorites tag along for a meaty enough story focusing on her? Because what they actually did here with Liz and the answers you mention only played out for about 3 days. The crux of the secret and its details remain about Finn/Michael Easton and his offscreen backstory, rendered in a truly cheap and embarrassing flashback. If we want to suggest that a female remaining sexually viable on the show is proof they value her, we should look at Alexis. Alexis still has affairs or flings on this show from time to time that play out largely as subplots; does she have a central story? Lucy gets background stuff, but is she a major character? They don't have to be turned all the way into Emily McLaughlin's Jessie Brewer to be valued less.

They've tried twice! I'm sure she's grateful. She's the breadwinner for her family and I'm sure she's doing very well. That doesn't change the fact that for the bulk of her tenure she has been poorly served in favor of actors who are often less deserving and can't deliver, now more than ever. A comparison to Jackie Zeman doesn't work because for most of Jackie Zeman's first 20+ years on this show Bobbie had a ton of frontburner stories about her, focused on her and her many loves, building a family, fighting for her kids or losing them, etc. Liz has not been central to Liz's own storylines (when they exist) for the bulk of that by comparison. It's only age-old in the last 20-25 years, though. Women are the backbone of this genre and women should remain the central point, in storyline and in love triangles. Male-centric love triangles rarely are done well - especially in the 21st century. I think most of the longtime GH writing staff in the '90s and 2000s who penned her rape story would disagree. But again, compared to who? Eden McCoy? The two anonymous women playing Willow and Sasha, who I still can't tell apart? Nina, a poorly defined character played by a valiant and talented recast who has still not managed to create anything lasting? Laura Wright remains active and is still a forceful talent, but Carly has had tons more character-centric story than Liz. Same with Maura West and Ava Jerome. The disparity is the issue with those two actors. I'm not some huge Liz fan and I never have been. But the fact is that when Herbst is given real material she always delivers, and her fanbase is strong. They don't use her because they resent not being able to get rid of her, and when they do use her it's to park OLTL stars - all of whom are unpopular, all of whom cannot deliver ratings - with her to keep them employed, because being paired with Herbst is perceived as giving her scene partners job security with the audience. Given that implicit understanding, and given the wealth of material to draw on and new characters you can introduce or reintroduce to mix up with other new people (Liz's sister, parents, etc), why not actually use her in a story with them as her support, since they know where the meat and potatoes of the audience support goes? Men came in and out of Bobbie Spencer's life, because Jackie Zeman and Bobbie were the draw in her heyday. They knew that then. The reason the same isn't true of Liz is not because Jackie (who I love) is a better actress than Herbst, it is because the priorities at GH have changed, narrowed and they're no longer focused on delivering for the longtime audience, they're focused on delivering for themselves and their narrow set of priorities. This isn't a new problem, it's been here since at least Guza's second residency and kept getting worse.

Celine is a real one. All my best.

If they were afraid they'd showcase her like Sonny, etc. and keep skewing story towards her. They resent her fanbase because they don't value her, but they also leverage it, hence pairing her with both OLTL stars as a retirement home for them. They know her fans are just happy to see her with anyone so they take advantage of it.

She's too much!

Moses and Crosby did fine with their brief appearances. But if it was me I'd recast both in 4-6 months' time and bring on real daytime powerhouses (Robert Newman, Colleen Zenk, whoever) to drive some story. They don't have to necessarily be on contract, half this giant cast isn't on contract. Reinvent Carolyn, make real trouble. The Webber/Quartermaine drama drove a ton of this show for the better part of 10 years and Elizabeth is still a very popular character with a gaggle of young sons. Her sister can have children and options. You can build and it all starts with the family and positions at the hospital.

Going great for McCarthy:

She's a sociopath, but that's fine. We have the seats we need to hold the line. I'm not scared of Sinema. I think she has profoundly underestimated how much AZ Dems hate her. Nor do I agree that she is 'level headed and brilliant'.

I'll give it a go over the holiday, lol.