Everything posted by Vee
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RIP: In Memoriam Thread
I remember when some of Davies' more recent films opened in NYC to much acclaim. I've always meant to dig into his explorations of his youth from a gay perspective. Now I'll have to.
- GH: Former Star BACK After 26 Years!
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Characters Without a Fanbase
He put it on Eden, but Eden quit early specifically because of the direction of that storyline (and Tamara was not far behind, declining to pick up her six month option with the show). Between that and another interview I can't lay hands on it's clear that what he describes here, using Bianca to intro Reese and turn her into a bisexual vixen, was in fact Plan A. The only reason he went back to Bianca and Reese is because both women quit.
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Days: Rumor of yet another character switcheroo for existing actor...
I'm most familiar with Emily O'Brien voicing the central female character(s) (with the physical model of Lindsay Wagner - long story) in Hideo Kojima's sprawling video game Death Stranding with Norman Reedus and Mads Mikkelsen. In that she had a perfectly fine American accent, and I had no idea til I finished the game that it was Jana from Y&R. The accent isn't the issue vs. the recast process itself, which is consistently ridiculous at DAYS (and GH).
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ALL: Soap Stars - Where are they now?
A bit late on this one, but I was making the rounds of new horror movies for the weekend and catching up on some older ones - while V/H/S 85 is out this weekend on Shudder, the previous film in the "V/H/S" horror anthology film series, V/H/S 99 from 2022 (also on Shudder), features two soap vets in two different segments. Kelley Missal (Danielle, OLTL) has a brief role as a doomed '90s chick rocker turned ghoul in the opening segment, but it's GH's own late great Sonya Eddy (Epiphany) who plays a vengeful mother exacting a Saw-esque scheme in a segment directed by musician Flying Lotus. Sonya was playing very much against type and does a great job. I miss her.
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Characters Without a Fanbase
Can do! I'm glad you waited, it's been a busy week recovering from my COVID booster. The above SON link from '09 repeats the material from a TV Guide interview with Michael Fairman that was posted at the time and is very real. I would've passed along the archive.is link but that site is being finicky tonight. There's more out there that I believe adds even more concrete detail, but that's a good start. Here's Tamara basically dropping a dime on Pratt and the show in The Advocate: Happy to help.
- Days of Our Lives: October 2023 Discussion Thread
- As The World Turns Discussion Thread
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Hollywood Sexual Harrasment/Assault Thread
Bryan Fuller is being sued for sexual harassment on his Shudder queer horror doc. I love a lot of his work but some of what's described here definitely sounds on brand for his excessively horny public persona. I wish I could say there aren't already too many LGBT people who operate like this in a professional capacity. The BTS personnel testimonials for either side of this accusation are already flying back and forth of course alleging that either party is the real problem, and some of it seems to suggest a turf war over the documentary and its content. I'd love to believe it's not true but I don't easily do that, so I'll see how it shakes out. Either way, gross.
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Days: Rumor of yet another character switcheroo for existing actor...
She looks like Nomi Malone!
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LIFETIME: "Ladies of the 80's: A Diva's Christmas"
Poor Linda Gray looks frail in that sidelong shot of the women. But my mother is also that thin these days near that age and she's doing okay, so who knows. Oh God. The Loni/Denise Richards double act story. That was a nadir moment for the show (and actually in the back half of Season 4 IIRC, which wasn't quite the dying days but it was a rough patch and got rougher down the road).
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Hollywood Sexual Harrasment/Assault Thread
This doesn't surprise me at all. Ormond is another up and coming female star who was the flavor of the month in the mid-'90s and then (like Gretchen Mol or Annabella Sciorra) her career vanished very, very fast. The next time I saw her again was in Inland Empire around a decade later when she began to recover a career in arthouse work.
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2023 Writers + Actors Strike Thread
In fairness, though: They won. Drew's career will be fine. But she made a series of stupid choices during this period, her show personnel treated people poorly on-set during the strike, and she took her lumps for it. It's not that deep. But I know we agree you can still be a Drew Barrymore fan (as I am) and acknowledge that.
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2023 Writers + Actors Strike Thread
Lord. You can like Drew Barrymore and admit she made a stupid choice with the multiple weepy video messages. All that did was embarrass her and cause her to keep stepping on rakes in public for several days. I like Drew. I hope her show continues. And the public loves Drew Barrymore, she will survive. But the way she mishandled this situation is a blunder largely of her and the network's own making. I understand the nuances of that situation re: her show's survival and I don't think she needed to be raked over the coals quite as much as she was, but the fact is it was overall an unforced error on her show's part. And in terms of strategy, turning the pressure up on Drew's show caused all the other talk shows on daytime to back down. That was a major factor in getting the writers to win big. It worked. Drew's career will recover. But if she wanted to keep those writers, she should've not gone back. It's that simple.
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The Politics Thread
Anyone blaming the Dems is either carrying water for the Republicans and expecting them to always bail them out for their own bad behavior (which is generally an implicit attitude among the Beltway media, who prefer the pre-Trump GOP to Dems anyday) or the dead-end wing of the left who just despise Dems period.
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Days: Rumor of yet another character switcheroo for existing actor...
If it's really only temporary it seems designed simply to teach Jen Lilley and others who might want to step out of line a lesson, when Lilley no longer needs the soaps. It also smacks of the same ego and contempt for the audience which has already led them to recast key roles with performers who are already onscreen playing others multiple times now, like the revolving Kristens and the Ben/Alex games. All of the above seems on brand for Alarr, and to an extent Ron who helped start this at GH. It's also obvious from Lilley's comments that they'd intended to bluff her into signing long-term when she first offered to come back to honor Aniston, and when they couldn't do it they reacted out of spite.
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The Politics Thread
Non-paywall link here.
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Characters Without a Fanbase
He was forced to write frontburner action story for Zach Slater and hated doing so? Cite your source.
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Characters Without a Fanbase
There's no dispute that Frons loved those characters. That doesn't mean Pratt did not clearly enjoy writing for Zach. Nobody was forcing him to do that material, that's the point.
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The Politics Thread
Things are going poorly for McCarthy in Congress today, but this is all I can think of (not my tweet):
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Characters Without a Fanbase
I saw zero sign of Pratt being forced to use Zach. He was the typical macho character he favored among the men at GH, and he notably amped up all the crime/gunplay elements with Zach as soon as he arrived (as well as at Y&R). YMMV. Zach also romanced or bedded both Pratt's rotating new outside faves he promised would shake up the show but who tanked in story - first Tamara/Reese and then Jamie Luner as the miscast Liza. The story Pratt gave Angie and Jesse seriously damaged Jesse's character on a fundamental level, even if it gave us Shannon Kane and gave Laura Bonarrigo from OLTL some work. It could also arguably be called playing into ancient racist tropes.
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Neighbours: Discussion Thread
Mischa Barton is officially somnambulant to watch and seems haggard. Her strange array of Swiss Miss-esque outfits aren't helping. Some elements of the hotel story and others seem vaguely all-ages teen soap, which does again remind me of some of the early Prospect Park soap subplots over here (well, not the all ages part). There's nothing wrong with that but it becomes a bit uniform and you hope for stuff with a bit more substance. I need to catch up on the last two or so eps though.
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Characters Without a Fanbase
It's not a nitpick when it affected both the viewers and the actors alike. The issue is that the audience, Eden and Tamara Braun all came onboard sold a specific pitch. They came in believing Bianca and Reese's romance to be a legitimate long-term storyline, not just a device to deliver Reese and then cut her loose from Bianca to fùck all of Pratt's other preferred (mostly male) characters. Eden dipped when this turned out to be a bait and switch while Pratt blamed her in the press, and Tamara either quit or was fired very soon after because the character tanked with the audience as a result of Pratt's story choices. That is not coincidence. I don't have a problem with Reese being bisexual; I didn't even necessarily have a problem with her being into Zach, her brother-in-law, which was scandalous. (I don't even have a problem with the pitch to have Bianca sleep with Ryan as revenge, which turned most people off and probably is what sent Eden out the door.) But making her into a vixen would've been hackneyed '90s nighttime soap tripe, playing into old ciiches about queer seductresses at a time when it was the last thing the show or Bianca needed, and it was a waste of what was hailed as Bianca's frontburner new love interest played by a major daytime star. The real issue is the execution. Sure, Zach providing his sperm for Bianca and her surprise new wife is scandalous and soapy to me. The tension between him and Reese is something you could play with over time without shortchanging Bianca and the central LGBT couple. It's all very similar to Lisa Cholodenko's The Kids are All Right with Julianne Moore, Annette Bening and Mark Ruffalo which was topical and controversial at the time - I'm all for a story like that. But almost as soon as Reese was introduced with Bianca, Reese and Zach became the story instead. They were making out by what, February? Reese came on at Halloween of the previous year. And by April, only a couple months after Zach and Reese started necking, Tamara was gone forever and Reese was history. Why? Because she didn't want any part of the story Pratt ended up telling, and neither did the fans. Pratt told a story at turbo speed, rushed through it to get to the beats he wanted and told a story both the fans and actors didn't like. What it cost the show was two talented actors. I don't need my queer characters to be saints - far from it, I've been advocating for LGBT vixens and villains since before Reese existed. I did need them to not bait and switch the most popular LGBT character on daytime over and over after bolstering a portion of their audience on her rape by a man and then promising they'll finally give her an top-tier love interest only to send her to the guy where if Pratt squints he kind of looks like Sonny Corinthos. I needed Bianca to not just be a delivery system for Pratt's latest sex fetish doll like Faith Rosco. And when we got the opposite, everybody involved quit. So no, I don't think it's nitpicking. YMMV.
- GH: Classic Thread
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Characters Without a Fanbase
I have a lot of time for some of Chuck Pratt's primetime soap work in the '90s, I watched his Spelling soaps faithfully for many years. I don't think that on paper ideas like Reese/Bianca (or Reese being tempted by men like her brother-in-law) or Taylor Thompson, the conservative Iraq war vet, are bad. But at every daytime show he's been HW on in the 21st century he's left a long trail of unhappy actors and stories of serious disrespect, and his GH and AMC stints were especially full of misogyny, bimbos and a lot of cheap shock value material. (Faith on GH was basically a macho sex maniac fantasy.) And the execution of even good ideas was terrible. He gave several magazine interviews at AMC describing all of the above, I can't really dig all of them up right now. And the actors later let loose about him. The way the Reese story was pitched vs. how it played out, IIRC, is what drove Eden Riegel to leave and stay gone til Prospect Park in 2013. For his part, Pratt basically blamed Eden for not signing a long-term contract (which I doubt she would've declined had the story not collapsed) and said he'd always intended for Bianca to merely be an intro device for Reese who would become a bisexual vixen.