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Vee

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  1. Looking back it is remarkable Dallas got Ian McShane, now a major player in so much prestige TV but back then a mainstay of all sorts of silliness. I gather the story with Sue Ellen was unpopular but if you wanted a guy to compete with J.R., that's one (not that the show was designed to allow him or anyone else to do that).
  2. Everyone who's ever seen Munich (or looked up the Eichmann trials) knows how Israeli intelligence rolls. There is no endgame for this which doesn't end in key principals dead, Mossad won't rest. The horror is what the much larger-scale military assault will do to innocent Palestinian civilians. On a lighter note:
  3. I like him a lot too. This is where the YT uploads get sketchy with gaps in '86, so I have no idea if Barbara is exposed to the last of her close family about Tom and Margo or if I have any hope of seeing it. I do wish they'd given the Hugheses a longer confrontation with her about it.
  4. It's been awhile, but I could swear he shipped it over. We had a whole discussion about it quite some time ago when I last was viewing ATWT regularly, it's somewhere in here.
  5. Marland's ATWT just keeps on giving. I'm in August of '86 and Tom has finally found out from Barbara's poor put-upon business partner that he never slept with her. They are really, really pushing the Lucy/Ethel shenanigans with Shannon and Harriet. I like a lot of it but I'm wondering how others felt. I am surprised there's some sort of shrunken head mischief in the Dominican Republic when we know that comes up years later with Duncan's first wife? sister?
  6. I'm the same.
  7. I thought it was a pretty good twist, tbh. And it re-invigorated the story for a good stretch for me, but I would assume it wasn't their actual idea as they were mere staff writers at that time under the outgoing Dunne team. They simply got that week's script for that plot.
  8. No, there's a clip right after. My bet is the Labine era, but I have no idea when or how.
  9. I've been wondering where that comes from too.
  10. Vee replied to DRW50's topic in Primetime & Streaming
    It's truly bizarre. Hopefully it'll be resolved soon.
  11. Oh, I haven't seen that interview in years. Before this show I knew Devane best from 24. I had no idea he'd lost the Sam Malone role on Cheers.
  12. It's been a looong time coming, but here's some hopefully not too pretentious thoughts on some of the closing eps of KL Season 6 (my last is all the way back on page 121). I finished it some weeks ago but have been meaning to synthesize these notes for a long while now; life, work and health got in the way. I'm splitting these up again because there's just a little too much to say for one post. Ep 24 (A Man of Good Will): The first writing credit for the now famous or infamous Latham/Lechowick duo, depending on who you ask. It's also got a female director (Linda Day) and has an early, startling image of Abby who - after biting off more than she can chew confronting some of the Empire Valley men - prancing out of their offices in a gigantic fur with plucky music playing, which is an interesting tonal note. Her determination to get Galveston's papers is left ambiguous for some time; does she want them simply to protect herself, or to help Val in the inevitable endgame with the babies? Or both? The phone wiretap/information warfare subplot in this episode with Sumner and a surprisingly-not-bald Stephen Tobolowosky hacking Gary's credit rating is, like a lot of the EV story, bracingly modern and way ahead of its time, but also a bit too James Bond and episodic, feeling like a weekly supervillain scheme. But Gary/Abby and Greg/Laura as dueling couples is always great fun. Cathy's amazing blue spandex? pleather? outfit while singing "We Belong Together" is a certified Lewk, as the kids say. But Lisa Hartman is really so much better an actress than simply playing the increasingly-put upon woman. I understand why it happens to Cathy over and over given her background and history we became privy to last season (groomed and abused by her first, older spouse) but I would've liked to see her grow further beyond it like most of the women on the show have over the years and elevate herself while staying on the sow, and we know Cathy doesn't have much further to run post-Joshua. You can see early suggestions of what the L&L team might do with the show here in various material; the rapid-fire patter between Laura and the rarely-seen Jason about his school science project is idiosyncratic but also a smart way to illustrate her moral dilemma re: Greg's machinations with Gary, while also allowing Constance McCashin's deadpan wit to shine. Sumner has a great, enlightening line in this hour too about dogs: "They don't have any conscience. Do you suppose that's why they're man's best friend?" The dialogue is also more informal and loose in various places across the board; Mack saying 'que paso,' one of the kids saying 'mellow out, dude' IIRC, and there's a move to more and more domestic cul-de-sac vignettes like Laura's home and the MacKenzies, which is much appreciated. A prime example of this which also leads into a lovely subplot: Eric and Michael watching a Western with the sound off while the boys grouse about Knots Landing Motors. Eric doesn't want to be keeper of Sid's flame anymore, wants to sell, and this leads to the wonderful, tender scene with him and Karen at Sid's grave. Steve Shaw actually sells a very good monologue about wearing his father's coveralls for too long, while Michele Lee simply, gracefully replaces Sid's flowers and sets him free. "Hey, you need a haircut." I know some things about future stories, but not a ton. That's why I was absolutely floored at the close of this ep when Gary and Abby, brought low by Greg's schemes, are on the verge of selling Empire Valley... only to discover Galveston left Gary everything. I was shocked and the look on Abby's face alone is priceless. What an ending. Ep 25 (For Better, For Worse): It was nice to see Greg finally lose his studied cool over his father's will: "I can't believe he did this to me!" It's important we get to see him finally undone, and Laura clearly enjoys it too, asking him why he's not laughing his way through it: "I especially admire your coolness under pressure." God bless Constance McCashin. The fallout from the will reveal extends to a favorite scene of mine: The Ewings having a family meeting about their major financial windfall at a local fast food diner. Gary and the kids are super into it, while a teeth-grinding Abby is waiting on lobster. When she finally breaks and begs for champagne and caviar, Gary is indulgent and gets her: "Wild extravagance, is that what you want?" Abby: "Yes, please!" Gary relents, but not before buying the entire restaurant double cheeseburgers - you can't take the rancher out of the cul-de-sac, and it perfectly merges the two worlds of the show. I loved it. I also loved Abby later taunting Greg about being his new landlord, while he offers her arsenic on the rocks. I do love how we keep seeing Val getting back to her writing, jotting away on notepads in every funky perch and corner of her house amidst the various domestic scenes as Joshua's grip on the family tightens. His latest TV sermon randomly brings up the polluted town of Wesphall and the Galveston development there, espousing the corporatist deep-state gospel of Empire Valley. This stunned me as well as both Ben and Abby; where was he getting that from? Who was in his ear? In her pursuit of Dr. Ackerman, Karen has now spent multiple episodes investigating every bridge tournament across the West Coast of the United States and possibly points east. This is a unique and baffling narrative choice. There is a very funny bit where her endless quest-by-phone continues in the background of a home scene where Michael and Mack are working on his school photography project, only for Karen to wreck it before finally jetting off to Vegas for yet more bridge. This episode, I think, marks the first appearance of a brief new subplot, namely Eric's new girlfriend Whitney who happens to be Black, something he's nervous about given the era. The family takes it in stride, but there's a nice bit to come with it in the next episode. Val and Laura both look real thrilled to be walking down the aisle for Cathy and Joshua in this one, while Cathy bucks Joshua's conservative choice for her wedding gown and shows up in her own. But a horse drawn carriage, really? Also of note: Val catching the bouquet and trading a look with Ben. Sumner finally takes Greg to meet the ominous Men in Black Suits this week to tell him the truth about Empire Valley, and he later meets the strange and imposing Coblenz, who positions himself as the 'good guy' government liaison monitoring Empire Valley. This seems like an obvious con, but from hereon Gary is officially part of the EV conspiracy and encouraged to lie to his loved ones. Episode 26/27 (Four, No Trump/A Price to Pay): Abby: You know I do what I have to do to get what I want. But I don't do this. They never fail to show Abby caring for her children, and as paranoia mounts for the Ewings and a questionable car accident runs the kids off the road in 26 (possibly an intimidation tactic against Gary by Coblenz and Empire Valley) her guilt eats away at her, leading to her great scene with Greg this week with the above quote as she confesses all about Val and the babies. A brilliant note they didn't have to play but do is how she opens by bringing up Jeff stealing her kids a few seasons ago - I hadn't even thought of it. She clarifies finally for the audience that she wants the babies back with Val, which is so important and of a piece wih how their handling of Abby's involvement in this story has been so deft and smart from the beginning - thank God Donna Mills made sure she would not be fully culpable. Unfortunately for Abby, Greg already has Galveston's incriminating pages (of course). Karen finally catching up to Ackerman and confronting him is a bit unsettling, if relevant to our times; his wide-eyed, thousand-yard stare and rising anger is genuinely frightening as he denies everything and spouts on about her 'profaning the sacredness of his work.' How many times have we heard men wax messianic about interfering with women's bodies in the last few years? Ben and Val have a lot of aggressive sensuality throughout these episodes as they canoodle with a giant tub of ice cream, an intriguing comparison study to Gary and Abby - just because Val's story has centered around motherhood and making or losing a family does not diminish her as a sexual being. But Val can't sleep at Ben's because she keeps waking up to feed her missing babies, and finally admits to Karen that she knows they're alive. This is presented more as a character beat for Joan Van Ark than simply plot, which keeps the show grounded. This extends further into Episode 27, another David Jacobs-helmed episode, where the commitment to Ben and Val is once again reinforced; they gleefully ditch Joshua's big family dinner (with Joshua now coldly freezing newlywed Cathy out for sex), cruise around in gorgeous exterior shots with voice-over, then duet on piano before finally dancing together at home to, uh, "Send in the Clowns"? Weird choice. But this show still has so much atmosphere and character texture than Dallas even for smaller moments like these, while Dallas remains purely, nakedly plot-schematic at this point in its run. After Ben proposes we Val wandering in the night surf on the beach, then finally confessing to him she can't marry him with the baby issue unresolved. Jacobs gives us another of his typically stunning tableaus here, with them embracing on the rocks in the morning sun. It seems clear the show has picked its lane with these characters throughout the latter half of Season 6, but we know that will change. I waxed rhapsodic about it in one of my recent rambling posts which feel like ten years ago, but the Ruth Galveston story seems to have run aground - all Ruth and Laura do at this point is snipe at each other, while Ruth grooms Abby to be Gary's rightful mate. But more on that soon. They do get one great exchange when a post-coital Laura comes to breakfast in Ep 27: Ruth: You look very self-satisfied this morning. Laura: Self had nothing to do with it. I will admit I laughed at Mack's perhaps not-well-aged crack about Eric's girlfriend Whitney: "Guess who's coming to dinner?" But the truth is the show handles it fairly well, I think; Whitney's race is never actually explicitly mentioned, because Eric is the only one nervous or upset about it at all. His parents don't care, and this leads to a lovely scene with Lilimae. "I didn't know you were so old-fashioned," she laughs. "There's no problem, Eric. You just have to throw away the poison." Unfortunately I'm not sure we ever see Whitney again, who seemed like a lovely girl. Another love interest for Eric falls by the wayside! Speaking of Eric, nepo babies strike again as Abby tells Karen she'll okay 'your Eric' becoming assistant operations manager at Lotus Point. I'm not sure college boy Eric, cute though he is, is qualified to run herd on a development that size, but okay! Teri Austin debuts as a one-off character in Ep 27 as Jill Bennett, who I understand we will be seeing much more of for years to come. She instantly has a spark with Kevin Dobson, who lets Mack flirt a bit. You can see why they brought her back if this was really intended for a one-off - Jacobs goes in for close-ups on her. Greg intervening to try to lure Mack back into the fold with a Senate run is intriguing. Almost certainly a William Devane improv: Greg snapping at his loud dog to shut up when Gary drives up to the Galveston ranch. I cracked up. But I was surprised that he was already onto the Fisher family, which closes Ep 26. More to come! (Shortly, I promise.)
  13. I adored Lara Parker growing up (and once sat next to her at a convention a million years ago when I was very young - it was an experience). I wish she'd gotten one more good soap role. I'll never forget her.
  14. An absolute legend, and a huge part of my childhood. RIP.
  15. Vee replied to YRBB's topic in Music & Movies
    Madonna seems in considerably better voice (and face) than I've seen her in a long time on this new tour. I wasn't sure if it would be like a snuff film based on what I'd seen of her lately, frankly. Her voice is never going to be what it was but it's seemingly improved from recent lows (as has her plastic surgery).
  16. Suzanne Somers was just always there on TV to me. I thought she was immortal at this point. What a shame.
  17. My first and best memory of her will always be the great Catherine Martell of Twin Peaks. Rumors abounded about Piper almost making an appearance in Season 3 but passing due to the very secretive and very sudden call schedule on that project, but she always remained very fond and complimentary of the show to the end. I wish she'd done it after all.
  18. The great Piper Laurie has passed away.
  19. IIRC, Tracy was instrumental in driving Rena's Lois out of town and out of Ned's life in '96, when she came back and made her life hell. They clashed over Ned, everything blew up and both characters left town within days of each other. Lesli Kay's Lois and Tracy did overlap in the 2000s but I assume their scenes were minimal. I have no idea if they shared any at all but NuLois was a C-level character at that time.
  20. Priscilla Presley is featured in this brief BTS video for Sofia Coppola's new film about her life with Elvis: I have had very little time for Priscilla as Jenna on the show (or in her diabolical guest stint on Melrose Place), but I'll always be very fond of her because of the Naked Gun films.
  21. I think with Sarah's original Carly, the relationship was more complex as well. Tamara's Carly who became the full blown mob queen, that changed for me (and I liked Tamara). I think his relationship with Brenda was also complicated and volatile well into middle age, something I only appreciated much more once they were both much older.
  22. How many days is Lois on this week? Asking for a friend.
  23. Vee replied to DRW50's topic in Primetime & Streaming
    The Fifteenth Doctor's theme:

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