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The RHOBH aftershow on YT has more info puppy-gate. However, an essential detail seems glossed over. Dorit explains that the woman to whom she gave Lucy L-A-J had a dog car seat and a dog carriage that she regularly took to the dog beach. But, when the woman's mother got sick out of town, the woman couldn't care for the dog and dropped it at a shelter. However, why would an experienced dog owner not just kennel the dog or ask a friend to dog sit? In fact, I can instantly think of at least three alternatives to taking a dog to a shelter, which feels like it would be humiliating for a dog owner. To be fair, given these assumptions, nobody including Dorit could have predicted where Lucy L-A-J would wind up. In the end, I agree with LVP that Dorit is using the Radar drama to deflect from the fact that what she did was wrong and LVP told her so the first time that Dorit told her the news. Also, Erika's rejoinder that she knew the details of the adoption since last summer negates the validity of the scene in the first episode where Dorit seems to tell the story to Erika for the first time. It does explain why Erika always seems nonplussed about information because it is probably the third time that she's heard it.

To be fair, Teddy threw a party in her home and never spoke (although I assume she'll be speaking too much next week from the preview).

These videos are great and so well done. I find watching or re-watching old episodes on YT tedious and I am rarely able to get through a whole episode without fast-forwarding, mostly because of either the pacing or the lack of anticipation of already knowing the outcome of every cliffhanger. It reminds me of hearing a comedian repeat their jokes when you already know the punchline. However, the idea of repackaging old episodes into clips is very appealing. I have enjoyed the yearly summaries on the channel. I appreciate the choice of background music, it has the time-era-appropriate amount of synth. I also appreciate that the non-HD quality of some of the video is offset by the addition of text information and the underscoring. It's just superb what people can do with these old videos to transform it into something that can still be entertaining.

The ending of RHONY was heartbreaking to watch. However, the rest of the hour was an infomercial for some movie, skinnygirl, online shopping, responsible drinking, a circus, and a Halloween pop-up store. Remember in the 90s when you would see Cher sitting on a sofa and think she was giving an interview, but she was actually trying to sell shampoo? That's what this felt like.

Swearing on children aside, I think the logic that LVP wouldn't tell one story to Radar and then contradict it to TMZ holds up. If she is as astute at working the tabloids as Rinna suggests, she wouldn't risk her relationship with Radar by contradicting them to TMZ. Occam's Razor states that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed. The idea that LVP sold a story to get back at Dorit, (not for the dog, but for an aside she made last year), and then retracted it to look like a hero is based on a whole lot of assumptions. One of them being that LVP would want/need to look like a hero for rescuing a dog twice from a kill shelter. Now for my conspiracy theory of the week: India decriminalized LGBTQ relationships on September 6th, 2018 which was cause for celebration at Pump on this week's episode, but Boy George played the Greek on October 3rd, 2018 which was shown on last week's episode. I'm not trying to rush the maestro Nik Alaine, but I don't think it took him more than a month to get that party together. Also, do you think Nik's wife that we met last week in LVP's kitchen misses shopping at Kyle's store so that she could say, "I'm Elaine Alaine at Kyle by Alene Too."? https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2018/09/12/how-india-decriminalised-homosexuality https://www.jambase.com/show/boy-george-greek-theatre-los-angeles-20181003

You'd think that a jail sentence, an MS diagnosis, and a dead grandchild would elicit a phone call from her sister, or at least an email or text.

In the recast thread, @KMan101 suggested Roberta Leighton as Dr. Sandy Horton, which naturally reminded me of her time as Dr. Casey Reed, Nikki's sister. Has anyone addressed where Casey has been for the past decade or so? The character was made justifiably redundant by Dr. Olivia Winters, but she always popped in when Nikki was in need. I could understand why Victor's brother Matt doesn't visit (although he was referenced more recently than Casey) because they didn't grow up together, nor did they get along that well when they lived in the same city. However, in the family lineage of related characters that are lost somewhere in the universe are Dr. Casey and any of her possible kids.

Great list, well done Watson71 - I listed 10 events that signaled new eras of AW storytelling, some good, some not so good 1. Amanda Cory's Winter Debutante Ball - creating the iconic opening sequence shots of Iris, Rachel, and Amanda in white gowns 2. Victoria Hudson returns with faux baby Kirkland which eventually pushed Grant Harrison to the brink of insanity 3. Clarice Hobson gives birth to Robert Delaney's son Cory solidifying Iris as the HBIC 4. The KBAY Telethon and the final appearance of Lindsay Lohan as Ali Fowler 5. Cass Winthrop loses money to Tony the Tuna and has live in drag as Krystal Lake, changes Cass from a semi-villainous jerk to a romantic lead, and make his friendship with Felicia part of the cannon 6. Sharlene Frame's return from the dead sets up the SORASed Maggie and Tomas story, another try at a new generation of Corys 7. Perry Hutchins dies in the hayloft beginning his father Carl's vendetta 8. Vince McKinnon recognizes Marissa Love as his presumed-dead wife Mary. 9. Morgan Winthrop moves into the Bayview Court beginning the ill-fated "ER/Friends-era" of AW, along with another new opening sequence 10. Walter Curtain kills Wayne Addison with his wife Lenore's scarf.

Totally agreed, it was well established that Bobbie brought Luke to Port Charles to help her land Scotty. At the time, it appeared as if Luke had never been to Port Charles. And when Bobbie later had marital difficulties with Jake over her trying to rescue Melissa (Amy Dolenz) from teenaged prostitution in Miami it was referenced that Ruby's "business" had been in Florida, before Scotty had to rescue them. However, in 1991 when the ill-fated Eckert family appeared as Spencer cousins (although the parentage of cousin Joey Mosconi was never confirmed), it was established that they were longtime residents of Port Charles. The Eckert Bakery was down the street from Rose's Diner (no mention of if Port Charles's Little Italy section was near the once popular Chinatown section where Jade lived) and for about one week they tried to make it the new gathering place for characters to meet for coffee. Then it fell down (with the ratings) in the summer of '91 when Port Charles, (a tiny seaside village in upstate New York), was hit with the first of two earthquakes that have shaken the town (to be fair, they had to incorporate the '94 earthquake because the actual Northridge quake damaged the sets). BTW, everyone always wants to bring back old Quartermaines, but what about poor Cousin Joey? He's out there somewhere with his Aunt Angela and his younger cousin Sly.

Leslie Charleston was re-cast as Monica in 1977, and I think Monica and Alan were already married when Tracy, Lila, and Edward debuted in the summer of 1978. One reason there has never been a flashback to Alan and Monica's wedding is that the bride had a different face at the time of her wedding. However, the origins of the Quartermaine Estate seem to have been re-written over time. A 1978 weekly summary on Tumblr and Soap Central both report that Lila and Edward followed Alan from Southhampton to Port Charles and bought their estate. However, by 1980, during the Dr's separation, it was established that Alan gave Monica the deed to the house as a wedding gift, so the estate would have to be owned by the family prior to 1977. I think the carriage house was introduced with Susan around 1981, and then inherited by Heather, and passed onto Celia once she married Grant. I also know that the mansion got a re-do in 1990, right before Gloria Monty returned, and the entry was redesigned. If I were re-writing, I would suggest that their summer estate was in Southhampton (like Palmer Courtland) and they spent the rest of their time in Port Charles The answer, of course, is that there were several head writer changes between 1977 and 1980. However, ever since Susan Moore's murder it has been in the cannon that the Quartermaines are longtime residents. As evidenced by (a) Lila's ex-husband Crane Tolliver came to Port Charles expecting to find Lila, which would not make sense if she grew up somewhere else, (b) when Tracey brought Mitch home there was some dialogue about redecorating her childhood bedroom, (c) ELQ was always headquartered in Port Charles because it was established as an import business before it became a shipping/manufacturing/makeup/medical supply/music and pickle company, and (d) they have a family crypt on the estate which is not something you bring with you when you move.

That's it, I knew there was some angelic moment - thank you Paige really got the stuffing kicked out her in Houston. She was an early victim of resting-b-face because her bark was much worse than her bite. Her only crime was social climbing and in return, her porn past was outed, her fiancee and his father both went a little nuts over her, and then she drank and caused a fire.

Thank you, I'm always impressed by the depth of your soap knowledge. I recall dialogue when Celia first moved to Port Charles that they specified she was a second cousin. I guess writers were setting the groundwork to pardon Celia and Jimmy Lee of any inappropriate familial intimacy. BTW, even if I had a mansion I don't think I would want my second cousin to move in for more than a year.

How were Celia Quartermaine and Alexandra Quartermaine related? Are they cousins, because I thought Edward only had one brother? Weren't there also relatives from Lila's side of the family that came through Port Charles?

It may have been what turned CC from Paul Burke to Jed Allen as well...

The tunnel withstood two earthquakes and fires in both homes. I think the Capridge spring (which rejuvenated Minx from Dame Judith Anderson to Janis Wells) was at ground level above the tunnel, on the dividing line between the two estates.

I was trying to count the number of stories that used the Capwell-Lockridge tunnel as a plot device. I think of: (1) Channing's Murder, (2) the 4 orphans used it, (3&4) the forged art in the tunnel was used twice in stories (once when JAN left as Warren, and later when Gina tries to con CC). It's remarkable that different writers all used the same device.

After 37 years, does anyone recall why Ashley's baby was considered such a miracle? I think this was Pam Long's character, and I seem to recall that she took an on-screen break prior to the finale, and then there was some other kid who foretold her return at Christmas. But it would be great if someone could fill in the blanks. Also, what happens to Dennis's girlfriend Paige after Dennis and Elliott leave town? I'm spotty remembering the story post-Iris.

I was watching episodes on Youtube. It was co-hosted by Michael Logan and his insane mullet. Here's a crazy piece of trivia, it was E!'s first live show because it was produced before the concept of screeners, so they were actually watching the shows and reporting on them the same day.

My recollection is that Cassie and her four musketeers was a classic example of a solid idea that was poorly executed. The story of Mary/Mason had already established that there was an orphanage that CC patronized because the sisters had a side business as nannies for the Capwell kids. So, an umbrella story about the other children who grew up in the orphanage seems like a good idea. Stephen was tied to Sophia because he was directing her life story. Derek and Craig were in a triangle with Kelly. And Ethan was the new district attorney which put him at odds with Julia and Mason. There was even an intriguing mystery when the story started that the audience didn't know why these men were connected or who the lady was that they were all protecting. John Conboy was producing and Sheri Anderson quit as the writer just as the story was starting. First mistake, one of the musketeers was cast with Leigh McCloskey who had just played Eden's rapist Zach. Then, Richard Hatch who played Stephen had to be recast. Then, right before the culmination of the plot Terry Lester left as Mason and was recast with Gordon Thompson because someone "forgot" to renew his contract. Finally, the Dobsons win their lawsuit and return to the show. By the 18th trip back to the Capwell tunnel, when the show finally got to the exposition of why the men were avenging Cassie's honor, most of the characters had been recast. There were no opportunities for the show to use flashbacks to explain the plot because everyone had a new face. So, one week Stephen is accusing Cassie of burning his film about the Capwells, then they both disappear... The Dobson's wanted nothing to do with the current plots so they were dropped. Concurrently, Gloria Monty was returning to GH and although there were multiple firings, every character got an exit. Cassie was simply never discussed again by anyone in her family. Much like her nephew Brick.

Valerie Starrett was Nurse Diana Taylor #1 I found this great source: https://sixtiescinema.com/2013/05/28/valerie-starrett-responds/ Starrett left the role in 1977 at the time when Tom Donovan took over as executive producer, brought in new directors and wanted to take the show in a different direction. This included the Diana Taylor character who would go from the show’s popular heroine to a more grasping desperate woman. Starrett left (Brooke Bundy took over as Diana) and her fans were outraged. Shortly after Donovan was replaced by Gloria Monty. With Luke and Laura now the soap’s main focus, Diana was pushed to the backburner and became more grasping than ever trying to keep her adoptive son from the birth mother. To put the character and the audience out of their misery, Diana was found murdered lying in a pool of blood in her kitchen with the name Ann Logan spelled out in blood. Valerie’s response to them: “Hi! It’s Valerie Starrett. I just saw this! The fans meant everything to me! and you are all right! I did not like the direction Diana was going and I ‘m happy I got out before it went downhill. You have no Idea how much I enjoyed being Diana and will forever thank you for watching me! As a funny side note, I am still best friends with Rachel Ames, Audrey! We see movies and plays together often!” (this published was in 2013) FYI, since I looked up the others, Don Chastain played Tom Baldwin (who I'm not sure if he was Scotty's uncle because I thought he was Lee's brother, but it is not referenced in the GH wikibio) he raped Audrey and sired Tom Hardy (which is interesting to think of all the ties Tom Jr would have to the current canvas). Lee Warrick played Mary-Ellen Dante the psychotic ex-wife of Dr. Mark Dante (I recall Mark always being a backburnered doctor in the 80s with great hair, but I may be confusing him with Derek Barrington). And Karen Purcil(l) (70s soap mags are always misspelling actor's names) played Jill Streeter who I can't find anything more on than what is in the soap hopper thread.

I read this on the Vintage Soap Tumblr and it caught my eye. I was familiar with the Gloria Monty actor purge both times that she took over as EP, but there was a prior purge in 1977:

I guess we'll never know if it is acolyte writers trying to honor another generation or network executive demanding vintage names, but I agree with the conclusion that I while enjoyed Maura West, I found her to be nothing like the Diane that I recalled. Jack, Victor, and even characters that are Nick's age are also open to stories about long lost college sweethearts who have children of questionable heritage. Perhaps this casting will put the proverbial nail in the coffin of casting a veteran actor and then randomly assigning them a veteran character's name, even though their characterization of the part is completely different, because it is just a setup for critics and fans to dislike the newer version. .

Soap fans never change... https://vintagesoaparchives.tumblr.com/ BTW, the answer refers to the fact that Donald May was fired which I had never read before.

I stand equally corrected and entertained, thanks for each of those videos, I never appreciated their relationship as much as I have now that I've watched these. But, I can't resist saying (a) Kelly really seemed to enjoy whipping Eden around in that wheelchair (it threatens to fall into Baby Jane camp), (b) she changed her tune later when she went after Cruz for herself, and (c) it amuses me as an odd overlooked detail when soaps put people with paralysis in outfits that would be impossible for them to wear in a wheelchair.

Ellie changes so much in the early seasons. In S1 she's of a bit Lady Macbeth, whispering in Sue Ellen's ear to have a baby before Pam. She was a bit more calculating before Jock died (sorry for the spoiler), then she's docile while dating Clayton until she makes a big comeback in the final season in the fight against Carter Mckay, including that legendary visual when she drives over to confront Carter in her little white convertible.